And if, as you say, there is also a working prototype to go along with it, this could be a real breakthrough. I hope the inventor is aware of the Z Prize currently being offered by SEAS, Inc. If anyone knows how to contact the inventor, I hope they will encourage him to enter the CEG in the Z Prize contest - this could be a very strong contender for the prize.

DTB

From: John Schnurer
Date: Fri Oct 4, 2002 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [jlnlabs] Continuous Electric Generator

Dear Ron,

This is a transformer. The moment the 3 phase excitation is removed, the established field will collapse. Should one continue to maintain the excitation the device will function as a transformer with its well known losses.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Goodger, Ron wrote:
I just finished studying this patent application. If it works, it will obsolete all >the other motor/generator configurations such as Adams/Muller/Bedini for purposes of power generation. This thing is a 3 phase transformer, but the thing that is different here is the magnetic vortex it creates. This vortex would suck in an abnormal quantity of 'aether'. Normal transformers don't have this vortex. Polyphase motors have the moving armature in there screwing .up the vortex. The third phase is necessary to preserve symmetry for maintaining the vortex. Very interesting.

http://l2.espacenet.com/espacenet/viewer?PN=US2002125774&CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD
', 'http://l2.espacenet.com/espacenet/viewer?PN=US2002125774&CY=ep&LG=en&DB=EPD

Ron

The CEG should work as suggested since Lenz law is dependant on dB/dt, i.e. a time varying magnetic field. In this device the magnetic field is constant (but rotating), hence _no_ Lenz law.

/Robert

This is not a transformer. A transformer works with dB/dt, i.e. invoking Lenz law. This device works with vxB where B is constant -> _no_ Lenz law.

/Robert

The induction motor was invented by Tesla in 1888, and is now the most common type of ac motor, though usually with a simple "squirrel cage" rotor--conducting bars parallel to the rotor and shorted at the ends--instead of the ac wound rotor which is typically reserved for specialty applications such as frequent starting and stoping.

An ac induction motor works by "inducing" a current in the rotor windings or bars from the rotating magnetic field of the stator windings (v x B) which--because these currents are still in a magnetic field--in turn produce a Lorentz force (I x B) that moves the rotor in the direction of the rotating field. Yes, there will be a torque, that is the point of a motor (approximately the hp rating of the motor, for example). ', '
Now whether welding the rotor of an electric motor stationary and switching on the motor will induce more power on the rotor windings than is being applied to the stator windings is an experiment I would leave to others to test! (though on better motors you can usually find the induced voltage printed on the nameplate under the title "secondary voltage").
', '
links to induction motor basics:

http://www.mech.uq.edu.au/courses/mech3760/chap30/s1.htm
', 'http://tpub.com/neets/book5/18c.htm

http://www.engin.umich.edu/labs/csdl/ME350/motors/ac/induction/index.html
', 'http://members.aol.com/ljkamm/motors.htm

http://powerlearn.ece.vt.edu/modules/PE2/

/Rob

I happen to read about the CEG generator newly.
Either it is a bluff or it is a real breaktrough.
The simplicity of the construction is almost too good to be true.
But it smells Tesla quality long way. It all seems too professional for being a fake.
A lot of labour must have been laid down making the documents. Too much money and trouble spent for making fool of wish thinkers.
Space energy power, ZPE or whatever the names of forces. It may be there but:
The thing may be just that simple that traditionally electric machines not have used all possibilities yet.', 'I.e. not used the best way to produce electricity.
Since the inventions were made some 100 years ago, not much new have happened.
There may be some n x 1000 000 000 motors or so working in the world by now.
Maybe there is also some n x 1000 000 generators working to make the power.
Anyway the need of electric power is huge. The cleaner the better.
There is no qualified matter such as nanochrystallines, or metglasses involved. Just standard motor plates. Or ironpowder.
Any motorfactory plant could have production started in weeks (or days).
I plan to take a normal stator core out of a standard junkyard 2 pole asynchronous motor.
The stator with the existing windings would make the extractor part with no more labour.
To add excitor windings to produce the rotating field , an inner core made of a number of soft steel plates with 24 slots either could do.
For a brief test, 3 simple 24v (or so) transformers wye coupled, could make the power for exciting the rotational field windings.
As the patent application tells, just about 1 % or so would do for powering the excitor.
A 3-phase inverter for 24V, 1% power of the extractor should be a piece of cake to build.
Say 1 % of 4 kW = 40 W shared by 3 phases some 1A, 24V. With MOSFETS there would not be any problem with heat losses.
Even simple analogue OP-amps could do it.
We could have the answer quite soon.
I wish the inventor all luck and i'll hope this is THE solution.", "( but I can't hold my fingers away )I just got to know if it works.
At least some 7kW for my own supply would be fine.

I hope I have not violated the language to much.
Best wishes from Sweden.

Attaching PDF scetch of cores/windings