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    EE Times Article about Ultraconductors
    Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 @ 18:38:51 GMT by vlad

    General Overtone writes: Polymer eyed for room-temp superconductivity

    Chappell Brown 9/12/2005

    Peterborough, N.H. In the early 1980s, a Russian physicist embarked on a search for a room-temperature semiconductor. Twenty-five years later, a U.S. company is looking to build on that quest and turn the results into products.

    The work centers on a form of polypropylene with an unusually high conductivity first examined by Leonid Grigorov, a physicist at the Polymer Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow. As a dielectric, it should have been an effective insulator. The compound, which was an unusual "atactic" form of the polymer, set Grigorov and some of his colleagues off on the hunt for a room-temperature superconductor.

    Today the torch has passed to Room Temperature Superconductors Inc. (Sebastopol, Calif.), and although it is still not clear that an ionized form of the polymer is actually a superconductor, CEO Mark Goldes has become an evangelist for what he believes is a new "Type 3" superconductor. Room Temperature Superconductors holds two (actually 3) U.S. patents on the technology and has product plans for using it.

    "Everything about this compound is counterintuitive," Goldes said. "This was a waste material. It's atactic, which means that it is an amorphous compound. It is a thermal insulator which conducts and it is also magnetic, something that is never seen in polymers."
    In the industrial form of polypropylene, the side chains attached to the molecule's carbon backbone are arranged in a regular pattern. This geometry promotes a type of crystalline packing that makes the polymer very strong. In the atactic form, which can be produced by using too much catalyst when the polymer is forming, the side chains are arranged in a totally random pattern.

    Air Force interest

    Goldes first heard about the compound in 1991, when he saw an abstract of a paper by Grigorov claiming the demonstration of superconduction at room temperature in a polymer. Intrigued, Goldes contacted Grigorov and got a fax of the paper in Russian, which he had translated. The paper appeared six months later in a journal published by the American Institute of Physics.

    A year later, Goldes traveled to Grigorov's lab to look at the work firsthand. "They had three floors of labs in Moscow and a number of PhDs working on this," he said. "I came back and started looking for backing to develop applications."

    The U.S. Air Force was interested in the possibilities for the compound, and Goldes eventually got four Small Business Innovative Research grants to develop applications. "We eventually moved Grigorov and his lab over here," he related. "That included 26 crates of lab equipment and a very sensitive magnetic balance, which has been critical in studying the superconductive properties of these polymers."

    Subsequent work has shown that a number of polymers exhibit similar conducting capabilities: olefin, acrylate, urethane and silicone-based plastics. But the advent of this new class of highly conductive polymers has not set off a stampede of research similar to what happened when high-critical-temperature superconductors were discovered in the 1980s.

    Goldes explained that neither his small company nor the Air Force were interested in publicizing the development. Now that two (three) patents have been approved, he believes it is time to push the idea publicly.

    The scientific community may be indifferent due to the inconclusive experimental results with regard to superconductivity. So far, the polymers have not exhibited all the characteristic signatures of genuine superconductivity, although some are present. It is also difficult to decouple the resistive behavior of the electrodes from the polymer at room temperature.
    "We can measure zero resistance with tin electrodes when the whole system is cooled to 3.5 Kelvin, at which point the tin becomes a superconductor," Goldes said. So far, attempts to measure zero resistance at room temperature have come up against the problem of resistance at the contact between the electrode and the film.

    The claims in the (first) two published patents are more conservative than what is published on Room Temperature Superconductors' Web site (www.ultraconductors.com). The patent states that films 100 microns thick have a "room-temperature conductivity in excess of 106 S/cm"; the Web site says conductivities exceed 1011 to 1024. The minimum figure in the patent is about 10 times the room-temperature conductivity of normal metal conductors. Of course, this may represent progress since the patent was issued in 1998.

    The problem is evaluating a new compound that is being held as a proprietary product. Goldes said independent groups have prepared samples of the polymer and duplicated the same basic results.

    The basic process for producing the highly conducting channels leads to thin films on a conducting substrate. The atactic polymer is initially in a liquid state and is ionized by UV radiation, which generates a population of polarons (the form that free electrons take in a polymer). By applying a large electric field perpendicular to the film, the polarons form into thin threads, 1 to 2 microns in diameter, that extend from the bottom to the top of the film. The polymer is then cured, forming a solid dielectric with highly conducting threads distributed through it.

    The second patent describes methods for creating the films and lifting them off to produce thermally insulating conducting films for a variety of applications. The films could provide a protective layer between metal electrodes and a corrosive substance without eliminating electrical conductivity, for example. Another application cited is a dense interconnecting layer for flip-chip mounting of ICs. The films could also be used to form an electrical contact between room-temperature electronics and cooled superconductors, or even long wires of the conducting polymer for electric power. Goldes says his company is pursuing approaches to doing that.

    (Note: Three U.S. Patents have now issued, and a very large application is pending. This will be broken into at least five more).

    Mark Goldes



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    Re: EE Times Article about Ultraconductors (Score: 1)
    by Koen on Thursday, September 15, 2005 @ 02:40:38 GMT
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    Does independent scientific confirmation by other research labs exist, with respect to the scientific claims about ultraconductors?

    Re: EE Times Article about Ultraconductors (Score: 1)
    by Koen on Thursday, September 15, 2005 @ 04:04:51 GMT
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    NASA's acronym: RTSP
    Room-Temperature Superconducting-Polymer


    Could this acronym be a slip of the tongue by NASA?
    Makes me wonder....

    Re: EE Times Article about Ultraconductors (Score: 1)
    by aironoeus on Friday, September 16, 2005 @ 03:45:39 GMT
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    I want to put my 2 cents in here.
    I've been watching and rooting (cheering for) for this tech from Ultraconductors.com for a couple years now.
    I have to say that I can think of all kinds of applications for it. I don't understand why, if there are a number of employees, why doesn't the owner assign one of the employees to start picking off all of these various thermoelectric applications currently being attempted in the market place one by one.

    You can see in US patent application #20050016575 regarding thermoelectric cooling, that the main barrier is the temperature leakage (radiative and convective) that occurs across the 2 junctions. Their solution (Penn State University) was to isolate one side by enclosing a section of it within a vaccuum and using field emitters (like cheap multi walled CNT's). Multi Walled CNT's are getting cheaper and cheaper everyday to produce and I'm thinking sooner or later this method (cross temperature leakage prevention) is going to start finding its way into thermoelectric app's so Ultraconductors.com better jump in there before the carbon nanotube revolution starts happening.

    I would think it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. You'd ask for a sample of their thermoelectric product, take the polymer ultraconductors and place it in the circuit in the appropriate place where it will prevent the most amount of leakage temperature between the two junctions and send it back to them saying, "test this and see if you'd like to license this tech in your products."
    That would be it. Have a guy on your staff assigned to do nothing but this. If the company is hesitant you just buy one of their products anyways and install it (the ultraconductor) and send it back to them saying "test this" (make sure the right person gets it).
    That would be your bread and butter. Your regular income from license fees.
    Here is an example of a program that I'd be trying to wiggle my way into.

    That's the DOE attempting to recover waste heat from your car engines. That's Amerigon and their subsidiary BSST.
    I understand that the existing environmental temperatures limits you somewhat as to how effective you can improve a thermolelectric device using this polymer ultraconductor (heat has to go somewhere) but certainly some workable methods can be attempted especially in a car where you have a moving vehicle with air rushing by. You could also try some tricks using Magnetocaloric materials to transfer heat from the imperfect materails from an internal area to and external larger surface area where wind is rusing by.
    I seem to remember reading a US magnetocaloric patent based on an Arsenic/Manganese alloy which performed better than the one in that link.

    I would think that cold climate applications would be the most attractive to ultraconductors.com since they would be easier. Iceland and Alaska comes to mind.

    I'm just a lower level employee at a major solar panel manufacturer but alternative energy is my favorite subject.

    I mean I was really enthusiastic about this tech getting implemented and I see the company not updating their site for sometime and I get a little depressed about this area of tech. It seems to me that if they are in a condition of steady low income it now becomes a time to promote the product and company. Why not jump into these thermoelectric app's?

    Another Idea I've been carrying around in my head for a couple years on how to use ultraconductors.com's polymer in a novel way is to use it as a solid state superconducting switch for Perm Magnet motors where you already have a magnetic field flying around.

    Simply you have a square piece of plastic that you are running electricty through where the left side has been doped so as to make it a semiconductor and the right side consists of ultraconductors.com material.
    The left semiconductor side has a small copper cylinder embedded in it with leads running out of it both front and back. Now if I take another wire and drive it into the semiconductor a little bit to the side of the cylinder but not touching it and it leads out to another circuit and I now run a magnet past this semiconducting plastic side with the copper cylinder in it the electricity is forced to run through the semiconductor and out through this second wire (since it's closer) instead of through the copper cylinder.
    But what if the right side is ultraconductors.com's conductive polymer with maybe some little slivers of silver protding into the semiconductor. Now when you run the magnet past the semiconductor plastic with the copper cylinder in it the elctricity is forced to flow out through the ultraconductor.
    Just an idea.
    The copper cylinder within a semi-conductor is not my idea. It was a tech news item about 2 years ago. Just thought it would be cool to use the ultraconductor with it. Myabe it would suck heat away from the coils improving the effeciency of the EM motor.

    Re: EE Times Article about Ultraconductors (Score: 1)
    by sparks35 on Friday, September 16, 2005 @ 23:43:01 GMT
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    Re: EE Times Article about Ultraconductors (Score: 1)
    by sparks35 on Monday, September 19, 2005 @ 20:36:40 GMT
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    Mr. Mark Goldes,

    You should contact Stan Ovshinsky of...
    Energy Conversion Devices, Inc.

    ECD Ovonics (corporate headquarters)
    2956 Waterview Drive
    Rochester Hills, Michigan 48309
    Tel.: 248-293-0440
    Fax: 248-844-1214
    Toll Free US: 1-800-528-0617


    These people are into all kinds of new scientific area. Lots of great people working for them.
    Lots of money, I believe, for development.

    Give it a shot.


    Mark Goldes on Breakthrough Energy Technologies (Score: 1)
    by vlad on Sunday, September 25, 2005 @ 16:55:20 GMT
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    From the AmericanAntigrevity.com site (interview by Tim Ventura): http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/223/1/Room-Temperature-Superconductors [www.americanantigravity.com]

    It’s been predicted that the development of the Room-Temperature Superconductor will initiate a second industrial revolution. We’ve asked Mark Goldes, the CEO & Chairman of Room-Temperature Superconductors Inc., to share with us a vision of how, why, and when this vision will become a reality. Welcome to the revolution… Room Temperature Superconductors Inc. (RTS) holds that its proprietary ULTRACONDUCTOR™ technology constitutes the commercial equivalent of a room temperature superconductor. Because of its Landmark patent position, analogous to the Stanford University/Genentech patent in biotech, RTS believes it has proprietary rights to the entire field of ULTRACONDUCTOR products and materials. The Company is currently raising the capital needed to produce a handful of early products - including power-down leads from room temperature to cryogenic MRI magnets. A meter length of wire is anticipated in three years. Exit strategies include a sale to a larger firm, or an IPO, within that same timeframe. ULTRACONDUCTORS are the result of more than twenty years of published, peer reviewed, scientific research, including eleven years of development. Commercialization of polymer ULTRACONDUCTOR core technologies, such as wire and computer chip applications, is our focus.

    Room Temperature Superconductors, Inc is a subsidiary of Magnetic Power, Inc -- which is currently seeking investors for breakthrough research in Zero-Point Energy technologies. In addition to our focus on Ultraconductors, Mark shares with us some groundbreaking news relating to ZPE research that he believes will lead to a 1-kilowatt ZPE generator within the decade.

    PDF link: http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Mark-Goldes-Interview.pdf [www.americanantigravity.com]


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