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    Can this man save the world?
    Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 @ 19:46:06 GMT by vlad

    Devices From the KeelyNet.com site: Joe Williams Sr. believes he has the machine that will help save the world. "It" is his Hydrogen Generating Module, or H2N-Gen for short. Smaller than a DVD player - small enough to sit comfortably under the hood of any truck or car - it could be big enough to solve the world's greenhouse gas emission problems, at least for the near future. In fact, it could make the Kyoto protocol obsolete.

    Basically, the H2N-Gen contains a small reservoir of distilled water and other chemicals such as potassium hydroxide. A current is run from the car battery through the liquid. This process of electrolysis creates hydrogen and oxygen gases which are then fed into the engine's intake manifold where they mix with the gasoline vapours. His product, he said, produces a more complete burn, greatly increasing efficiency and reducing fuel consumption by 10 to 40 per cent - and pollutants by up to 100 per cent. Most internal combustion engines operate at about 35 per cent efficiency. This means that only 35 per cent of the fuel is fully burned. The rest either turns to carbon corroding the engine or goes out the exhaust pipe as greenhouse gases. The H2N-Gen increases burn efficiency to at least 97 per cent, Williams said. This saves fuel and greatly reduces emissions. It also means less engine maintenance and oil changes. The only thing the vehicle owner has to do is refill the unit with distilled water once every 80 hours of engine use. It can be attached to any kind of internal combustion engine: diesel, gasoline, propane/natural gas. Also, because the H2N-Gen manufactures only enough hydrogen to feed the engine at a given time, there is no dangerous onboard storage of hydrogen gas and no hydrogen under pressure.

    Source: http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=cfeb17de-d945-4db4-87a6-090911200e96



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    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by seanu on Sunday, September 25, 2005 @ 04:52:23 GMT
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    the censor police may have been aaround. the link doesn't work

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by seanu on Sunday, September 25, 2005 @ 04:57:25 GMT
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    http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000373059415/ [www.engadget.com]

    http://blog.teledyn.com/node/2352 [blog.teledyn.com]

    http://www.keelynet.com/ [www.keelynet.com] (in the middle somewhere 22/09/05)

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by seanu on Sunday, September 25, 2005 @ 05:00:47 GMT
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    That really is ACE!!! I'm aobut to buy a new car and I'd love to get one of these!!! I'd love to save 30-40 on my fuel bill, esp as I get paid per mile for business travel, even more cash in my pocket, AND I could get a reduction in road tax as I'll be emitting small car CO2 levels. Waydago!

    Say, is this guy selling any yet?


    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by sparks35 on Sunday, September 25, 2005 @ 22:38:34 GMT
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    The Big Corporate Arogant Powers that think they need to spoon feed the stupid masses, (I have an MBA and U don't, so I know better), can go to Hell.

    When this Hydrogen Generating Module gets on the market, it will ROCK!!!

    I'm lining up to buy one quick, Goldes, and the rest of you, pie in the sky, I need more money, I can't do it, I want to help, I am educated, I need another million,...can cram it!!!!....IMHO....
    Thousands of Do-It-Yourself Car buffs will install this thing.

    OH CANADA.......!!! ...U ROCK!!!!

    Goldes what do U think of this?????
    Does it mess with your EGO???
    What are your thoughts Mr. Goldes???

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by ElectroDynaCat on Monday, September 26, 2005 @ 09:24:31 GMT
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    Whats evident here is that Williams system is not rocket science, and could have been adopted by the automobile companies long ago to boost gas mileage, and over short distances, eliminate gasoline consumption completely.

    Our problems with energy comsumption and production are caused by politics and economic interests. The technology has existed for a century to achieve energy independence. The Big Oil/Automobile/Road Construction interests have enormous power and vested interests in continuing the system they own.

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by sparks35 on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 @ 22:40:50 GMT
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    Screw it all...I've got my 20 acres in MT...land values there go up BIG TIME with each passing year...why bother to care about things when the BIG BOYS are just out for themselves...I HOPE U DY SOON BUSH AND UR BUDDIES!!!

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by DoItDontJustWriteAboutIt on Monday, October 03, 2005 @ 15:46:26 GMT
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    The article contains this statement, the first sentence of which is more-or-less true, but the concluding remarks are completely false:

    "Most internal combustion engines operate at about 35 per cent efficiency. This means that only 35 per cent of the fuel is fully burned. The rest either turns to carbon corroding the engine or goes out the exhaust pipe as greenhouse gases."

    No. this man can not save the world. (Score: 1)
    by DoItDontJustWriteAboutIt on Saturday, October 08, 2005 @ 07:42:39 GMT
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    This idea can be shown to be without merit very easily by at least two arguments.

    First argument--

    1. The device uses electrolysis to create hydrogen and oxygen from water.  The energy these gases add to the engine come from the energy of the atomic bonds in the water.

    2. To split these bonds requires energy from the battery; in fact more energy than one may later obtain from burning the gases in the engine (since in practice, at best, electrolysis systems are only about 80% efficient).

    3. The energy the battery supplies to  this device comes from the alternator.

    4. The energy from the alternator is derived from that produced by the engine.

    Thus we have closed the energy loop and the loop is below unity.  Thus, this device robs one of gasoline mileage, while putting one's money in someone else's pocket.

    Second argument--

    The device produces a tiny volume of gases per unit time, compared to the volume of air, fuel, and fuel gases in the same time.  It can have virtually nil effect, therefore, on the operation of the engine. 

    Note that the inventor has no 3rd party data to support this extraordinary claim.  Big Oil and Auto industry people have nothing to do with suppressing this invention.  It is the laws of physics that are the culprit.  Don't waste your hard-earned money on this loser.

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by guest on Thursday, January 26, 2006 @ 17:29:16 GMT
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    Where has this Article Gone?

    Is this a real story?  if so I would like to read up more?

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by Albersawa on Friday, January 27, 2006 @ 15:55:50 GMT
    (User Info | Send a Message) http://laps.noaa.gov/albers/physics/na
    I can see that adding hydrogen and oxygen adds a clean burn which completes any inefficiency of hydrocarbon burn.  Are we that inefficient here say, 30%? I don't think so, especially given process loss, but I don't know.   ALBERSAWA

    Re: Can this man save the world? (Score: 1)
    by Albersawa on Friday, January 27, 2006 @ 15:58:11 GMT
    (User Info | Send a Message) http://laps.noaa.gov/albers/physics/na
    HOLD ON HERE!!!   35% EFFICIENCY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FUEL EFFICIENCY, DIRECTLY  and it is absolutely wrong to say 35% fuel is burned.  Horsefeathers.    ALBERSAWA


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