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    100 miles on 4 ounces of water?
    Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 @ 23:09:41 GMT by rob

    Science Anonymous writes: From KeelyNet news; 05/13/06 - 1994 Ford Escort gets 100 miles from 4 oz water
    Denny Klein just patented his process of converting H2O to HHO, producing a gas that combines the atomic power of hydrogen with the chemical stability of water. "it turns right back to water. In fact, you can see the h20 running off the sheet metal." Klein originally designed his water-burning engine for cutting metal. He thought his invention could replace acetylene in welding factories. Then one day as he drove to his laboratory in Clearwater, he thought of another way to burn his HHO gas. "On a 100 mile trip, we use about four ounces of water." Klein says his prototype 1994 Ford Escort can travel exclusively on water, though he currently has it rigged to run as a water and gasoline hybrid.

    2005 Article - Working in a small, two-room shop at the Airport Business Center, Klein, 63, said he has developed a gas that speeds welding and fusing times and improves automobile fuel efficiency 30 percent. Flipping a switch on his H2O 1500, Klein picks up a hose with a metal tip, creates a spark, and instantly a blue and white glowing stream shoots out of the metal tip. He holds the tip with his fingers to prove how cool it is to the touch, unlike such a tip when oxy-acetylene is burned for welding. But the instant he sets the flame on a charcoal briquette, it glows bright orange. Then, within seconds, he burns a hole through a brick, cuts steel and melts Tungsten. The temperature of the flame is 259 degrees Fahrenheit. But it instantaneously rises to the melting temperature of whatever it touches, Klein said. Those temperatures can exceed 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit. "You can't do this with any other gas," he said. Klein also has outfitted a 1994 Ford Escort station wagon with a smaller electrolyzer that injects his HHO into the gasoline in the car's engine. He said he has increased his mileage per gallon by 30 percent. / He doesn't yet have a patent, only this 40 page application and it is, I think, bustable by several 'prior art' (Rhodes) patents and Yull Brown public claims/demos for many years before - Patent Application - 20060075683 - April 13, 2006 - An electrolyzer which decomposes distilled water into a new fuel composed of hydrogen, oxygen and their molecular and magnecular bonds, called HHO. The electrolyzer can be used to provide the new combustible gas as an additive to combustion engine fuels or in flame or other generating equipment such as torches and welders. It will be soon evident that, despite a number of similarities, the HHO gas is dramatically different than the Brown gas or other gases produced by pre-existing electrolyzers. In fact, the latter is a combination of conventional hydrogen and conventional oxygen gases, that is, gases possessing the conventional "molecular" structure, having the exact stochiometric ratio of 2/3 hydrogen and 1/3 oxygen. As we shall see, the HHO gas does not have such an exact stochiometric ratio but instead has basically a structure having a "magnecular" characteristic, including the presence of clusters in macroscopic percentages that cannot be explained via the usual valence bond. As a consequence, the constituents clusters of the Brown Gas and the HHO gas are dramatically different both in percentages as well as in chemical composition, as shown below. With the use of only 4 Kwh, an electrolyzer rapidly converts water into 55 standard cubic feet (scf) of HHO gas at 35 pounds per square inch (psi). By using the average daily cost of electricity at the rate of $0.08/Kwh, the above efficiency implies the direct cost of the HHO gas of $0.007/scf. It then follows that the HHO gas is cost competitive with respect to existing fuels. (Great name for the gas...Rhodes was first, Brown copied him, now Klein copies Brown though he says not...so how about just HHO gas! - JWD)



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    Stanley Meyers already did this! (Score: 1)
    by Kadamose on Monday, May 15, 2006 @ 09:46:23 GMT
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    And was killed for it! 

    Can you say Illuminati scum?

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by pulsed_ignition on Monday, May 15, 2006 @ 14:46:52 GMT
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    From Vortex,

    This looks like "Magnegas, the sequel"...

    The Klein patent application is online:


    First "red-flag" that pops-up pretty quickly is the co-inventor is Ruggero Santilli - of "Magnegas" fame - or infamy (depending on whether you are a previous investor, or target of his countersuits, or not). And, hey, aren't they the ones who had the big explosion - trying to prove you could store the gas? R. Santilli has been pushing this theme for many years, and maybe his new "partner" or whatever... has worked out some of the "bugs" of Magnegas ... ... or not. At least the timing is more opportune for an alternative. Klein and his new crop of investors probably did not want to advertise those little past problems and history, as apparently there are a few legal issues pending. Jones

    Fox News video clip: Fuel from water (Score: 1)
    by vlad on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 @ 18:30:59 GMT
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    Eric Pollitt writes: This is an interesting video clip from Fox News with an inventor who is using water for fuel, originally for welding. He's patented his device and is in negotiations with GM and the US government for building a "hybrid" Humvee that will run on water or gasoline / diesel.

    Denny Klein of Hydrogen Technologies; H2O -> HHO; 1994 Ford Escort gets 100 miles per 4 oz water.

    URL: http://www.hytechapps.com/

    Web site above includes the ability to order "the new and improved H2O Model 1500 Aquygen™ Gas Generator became available during the first quarter of the year 2005."

    Retail price: $6,995 US dollars, plus tax, plus shipping FOB from Cleveland, OH

    Please reply with your thoughts as the inventor explains that at least in part, the process involves electrolysis.

    Best regards,

    Eric Pollitt, President
    Global Hemp, Inc.
    401 E. Illinois Ave.
    Peoria, IL 61603

    Eric Krieg writes: Ouch! - this is the kind of misleading story that drives public ignorance about energy and fuel. Fox was very irresponsible in their choice of words to call water a fuel. Water is not a fuel, it can be a source material to create an inefficient fuel, the gas HHO - which is the fuel and NOT water.

    Water is to the gas HHO what ash is to wood. Dennis Lee does a scam to make people think water can be used to power things - it can't , water is the waste product. Gases are dangerous and hard to store and hard to compress - they do not do an efficient job of temporarily storing energy. The best way to use water to store energy is to pump it to an uphill storage tank - that way only has about an 20% energy loss compared with typical total 70- 90% loss rates of using electrical power to separate water into gas, and then harnessing the energy available by burning it.

    The gas produced by separating water is dangerous and has been called many things including Browns gas. It has been available for years from many sources. These machines are heavy and suck in a lot more power than you ever get out of them by burning the gas back into water. Around 15 years of promoting browns gas for welding, cutting, etc haven't seem to have made much of an impact on the world of working metal.

    Eric Krieg

    Nick Tastad writes: Eric makes an excellent point in his analysis.

    If water itself were anything close to a fuel, our national problems would be over very quickly. I don't know what the latest is with the NEC's quite impressive international investigation of the Joe Cell; however, I'm still very reluctant to believe we've found the "solution" to our energy dilemma. Also, I've been brushing up against time and my own intellectual constraints in understanding what this Russian electrolysis expert is talking about.

    Of course, water is almost the best in the business at storing kinetic and thermal energy. The same chemical properties that give it those advantages then take away from its abilities to serve as a "fuel." The nexus of the problem is in the fact that the hydrogen-oxygen bond is a difficult one to break without intensive energy inputs. I don't have to tell you that in the largest swath of other cases, the most convenient way of breaking a bond is to oxidize it (normally liberating at least some energy). That's where we'll note that in water's case the hydrogen has already been oxidized. Once water's bond is broken, its constituents are very reluctant to stay single and in fact will form di-atomic molecules if nothing else and are excessively difficult to manage in any kind of a long-term scenario. I hate to sound like a chem expert, because a look at my high-school/university grades would likely disqualify me from engaging in this or any other scientific discussion at all. My ultimate point is: I don't think we're going to find an avenue or a trick to the science to beat segment of the energy dilemma, its just too solid. We're going to have to find a way to work with it in some other avenue.

    If you're interested the DOD will be hosting another Energy Conference at the Doubletree Hotel, just across I - 395 from the pentagon. On Monday, May 22nd, it starts at 6:00 pm for 45 min of networking and then goes till 8:00. This time, it's about Hydrogen and the Hydrogen economy.

    Nick Tastad
    2020 Institute

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by ElectroDynaCat on Monday, May 15, 2006 @ 19:56:33 GMT
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    Not a big deal, it looks like the standard setup for an electrolysis hydrogen welder/ cutter, and the energy for the reaction comes from outside the system.
    Only certain types of metals can be cut or welded with this system, as the hydrogen tends to embrittle just about everything in the periodic table except certain exotic metals like Scandium.

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by ubikk on Friday, May 19, 2006 @ 08:21:27 GMT
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    The key to this technology working is believing that a nano-amount of hydrogen fusion is taking place when this gas is burned under the right conditions.  The temperatures produced by his welding torch would tend to support this fact.  There is no way you can get those kinds of temperatures simply from oxidizing hydrogen.

    If that is the case (and it's a big "if"), then it is entirely possible that this technology will work.    It would be a form of fusion energy.  The most abundent energy in the universe.

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by sleepyd on Friday, May 19, 2006 @ 14:19:41 GMT
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    AMAZING all the brainiacs out there that - in there two lines of comment - totally dismiss this potential energy revolution. ME? I'm scientifically educated...I don't understand what the guy claims to have done BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. But hell - the DoD is interested.

    Why don't you all take your worthless little BS degrees and open your mind to the possibility that there are alternatives in this world.

    The first guy that found black shit in a pool and told people black water came from underground and he could burn it was probably called a fool, too.

    Hell, the guy that came up with the concept of teleportation was called a luny, too...but HEY!!!!! They have teleported a photon. Better than that, a recent article proclaims they may have caused light to move BACKWARDS. I don't know WHAT the hell that means...but someone who's brain is a million time larger than mine MIGHT have a few thoughts and some understanding I don't have.

    Tell you what, all you nay-saying jackasses...when this techonology comes to market...DON'T BUY IT. You are too smart to accept advanced scientific possibilities.

    "Hey - we got a concept for a bomb that'll blow up a WHOLE city....YEAH! Justy ONE bomb..."
    "What a freaking nut-job..."
    -- conversation heard outside of a-bomb project...

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by AlexLuckyGuy on Friday, May 11, 2007 @ 02:37:59 GMT
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      I saw some videos about this subject on some websites and I am very interested in it. In 2001 I heard about using water as a fuel source, they said it was cheap and quite easy to use. In 2005 I came accrooss Spanyol Zoltan's invention, but only in January 2007 I found some info about the HHO gas generator and  another approach, the Water Fuel Cell invented by Stanley Meyer. Stanley Meyer's patent expires in June this year and I want to know whether it will soon be commercially available in forms that produce enough gas mixture to heat a home or power a car entirely. I also found on the Internet all the info (if it is true) necessary to build his WFC. I cannot find the electronic components here, in this wretched country all the electronics come readily made and when I asked at a hardware store about 1, 0.75 and 0.5 caliber stainless steel tubes they cursed my mother.
      I would like to know whether the WFC would be commercially available soon and whether the HHO gas generator would be cheaper in the future. It is very expensive, about 7000 dollars and I do not even know whether it is worth the money. How long does it last ? The "fuel" might be very cheap, but if the generator is very expensive and does not last long, then it is a very expensive source of energy. I know some other things that are very cheap but turn out to be too expensive...

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by alexdenipaul on Monday, December 14, 2009 @ 22:27:34 GMT
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    Yes, one said from his own mouth that he had been bribed and refused to accept a $1 Billion payoff by some Saudi Arabian business man (big oil). He started getting death threats after that auto insurance [www.hostseeq.com].

    Soon after, he died (very conveniently) of poison after eating at a local public restaurant. The next day, all of his research disappeared along with the prototype car engine he had created.

    No major investigation took place.

    He had claimed that he could easily convert any engine (Toyota, Honda, Ford or anything else - cars, trucks, etc) to water powered for only $1500. That engine could travel a good 100 miles per gallon or better.

    The other guy, I have no idea about him…

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by xela26 on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 @ 05:56:25 GMT
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    4 oz of water gets 100 miles? that unbelievable. although I some some videos in youtube that I is possible.

    Re: 100 miles on 4 ounces of water? (Score: 1)
    by xela26 on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 @ 06:00:38 GMT
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    4 oz of water gets 100 miles? that unbelievable. although I some some videos in youtube that I is possible.

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