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A Question
Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 22:55:31 UTC by vlad
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jovthor writes: I don't know how to ask this in the proper way and I'm pressed for time, so I'm asking it here:
How does ZPE, or any of these other orgs for that matter, go about 'proving' a device is zero-point? What are the conditions that must exist?
Thank you so much!
~Marc McCormick
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Re: A Question (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 10:28:12 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | How to prove FE/OU? Raise the temperature of a quantity of mass above the ambient temperature without the need for outside energy input or the consumption of fuel.
Sometimes called a calorimeter, the people at the Austin Institute for Advanced Studies have the best setup for determining if FE/OU is actually happening. They have righteously investigated many, and turned down all of them. A confirmation by the Institute would constitute proof.
A lot of developers are upset with them, a sure indication of their honesty and unbias. Most phony FE/OU claims won't go near the Institute.
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- Re: A Question by RBM on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 18:03:16 UTC
- Re: A Question by ElectroDynaCat on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 @ 10:58:28 UTC
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Re: A Question (Score: 1)
by vlad on Monday, August 04, 2008 @ 23:22:02 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Good question Marc ...but I'm afraid the answer is not that simple and takes a lot of reading to understand. Since you're "pressed for time", a more recent example of an attempt of 'proving' a device is/uses zero-point (vacuum) energy and the conditions that must exist for "extraction" to happen can be found in the following post:
http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2938
Again, this whole domain of research, zpe/vacuum energy engineering, is progressing so slowly because everybody is "pressed for time" these days ... but I have no doubt there are few people out there who do take the time to study this, and they will change the world as we know it ...
Vlad
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Re: A Question (Score: 1)
by malc on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 01:24:26 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley | The inventor will have no fuel bills and a car that never stops at a petrol station!
So will their family and friends. In fact any inventory with half a brain cell will make sure that as many of their family and friends are fuel bill free before they disclose it. That way it can't be supressed and nobody can deny that it works.
regards,
Malcolm
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Re: A Question (Score: 1)
by Koen on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 04:48:38 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://no.nl/tesla | Since nobody knows exactly what the ZPE is ("virtual" particles, "virtual" photons, real photons according to Hal, or even "real" aether particles), I guess the hallmark of ZPE conversion is the following:
- overunity without the input of energy in the form of heat, wind, solar radiation or some other "well defined" form of energy.
I examined the patent, but I do not understand the principle. Is this ZPE extraction as explained to SED, where QM does not offer an explanation?
Hal does not describe very clearly how the Casimir cavities can be exploited for ZPE conversion into electricity, even if one take into consideration the validity of SED (stochastic electro dynamics).
Another ZPE patent:
Shoulders, K.R. (1991) "Energy conversion using high charge density",
U.S. Patent No. 5,018,180, issued May 21, 1991.
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- Re: A Question by modernsteam on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 @ 09:26:16 UTC
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