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    Forget black holes, could the LHC trigger a “Bose supernova”?
    Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 @ 20:32:07 UTC by vlad

    Science The fellas at CERN have gone to great lengths to reassure us all that they won’t destroy the planet (who says physicists are cold hearted?).

    The worry was that the collision of particles at the LHC’s high energies could create a black hole that would swallow the planet. We appear to be safe on that score but it turns out there’s another way in which some people think the LHC could cause a major explosion.



    The worry this time is about Bose Einstein Condensates, lumps of matter so cold that their constituents occupy the lowest possible quantum state.

    Physicists have been fiddling with BECs since the early 1990s and have become quite good at manipulating them with magnetic fields.

    One thing they’ve found is that it is possible to switch the force between atoms in certain kinds of BECs from positive to negative and back using a magnetic field, a phenomenon known as a Feschbach resonance.

    But get this: in 2001, Elizabeth Donley and buddies at JILA in Boulder, Colorado, caused a BEC to explode by switching the forces like. These explosions have since become known as Bose supernovas.

    Nobody is exactly sure how these explosions proceed which is a tad worrying for the following reason: some clever clogs has pointed out that superfluid helium is a BEC and that the LHC is swimming in 700,000 litres of the stuff. Not only that but the entire thing is bathed in some of the most powerful magnetic fields on the planet.

    So is the LHC a timebomb waiting to go off? Not according to Malcolm Fairbairn and Bob McElrath at CERN who have filled the back of a few envelopes in calculating that we’re still safe. To be doubly sure, they also checked that no other superfluid helium facilities have mysteriously blown themselves to kingdom come.

    “We conclude that that there is no physics whatsoever which suggests that Helium could undergo
    any kind of unforeseen catastrophic explosion,” they say.

    That’s comforting and impressive. Ruling out foreseen catastrophies is certainly useful but the ability to rule out unforeseen ones is truly amazing.

    Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0809.4004: There is no Explosion Risk Associated with Superfluid Helium in the LHC Cooling System

    Source: http://arxivblog.com/?p=645


     
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    The 'Magnificent 7' of European astroparticle physics unveiled to the world (Score: 1)
    by vlad on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 @ 22:33:29 UTC
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    Today Europeans presented to the world their strategy for the future of astroparticle physics. What is dark matter? What is the origin of cosmic rays? What is the role of violent cosmic processes? Can we detect gravitational waves?

    With seven types of major large-scale projects physicists want to find the answers to some of the most exciting questions about the Universe:

    -- CTA, a large array of Cherenkov Telescopes for detection of cosmic high-energy gamma rays
    -- KM3NeT, a cubic kilometre-scale neutrino telescope in the Mediterranean Sea
    -- Ton-scale detectors for dark matter searches
    -- A ton-scale detector for the determination of the fundamental nature and mass of neutrinos
    -- A Megaton-scale detector for proton decay's search, neutrino astrophysics & investigation of neutrino properties
    -- A large array for the detection of charged cosmic rays
    -- A third-generation underground gravitational antenna

    "New exciting discoveries lie ahead; it is up to us to take the lead on them in the next decade." says Christian Spiering from DESY – Germany, Chairman of the Roadmap Committee. After two years of roadmap process, the publication of The European Strategy for Astroparticle Physics is an important step for the field outlining a leading role for Europe in this increasingly globalised endeavour.

    From undersea and underground laboratories to the most isolated deserts and outer space, astroparticle physics experiments accept very exciting challenges. It is a promising and rapidly growing field of research at the intersection of particle physics, cosmology and astrophysics, aiming to detect the most elusive particles, and to penetrate the most intimate secrets of the Universe.

    To insure the coordination of astroparticle physics at the European level, research agencies from 13 countries joined their efforts within the ASPERA* European network, an ERA-Net funded by the European Commission. Thanks to the work achieved through ASPERA, European countries for the first time have a common tool to programme jointly and share their efforts in astroparticle physics.

    This ambitious programme will gather European countries to open new exciting windows to the Universe, and the most advanced projects such as CTA (high-energy gamma rays) and KM3NeT (high-energy neutrinos) could start construction by 2012. The complete funding of this billion-scale programme would need a smooth yearly increase of current investments for astroparticle physics, amounting to an integrated increase of about 50% in a ten-year period.

    "The timely realization of the Magnificent Seven is a big challenge" says the coordinator of ASPERA Prof. Stavros Katsanevas (IN2P3/CNRS) - France, "But we are confident that none will be killed contrary to what happens in the film, as the European agencies and ApPEC* support these priorities and the same also emerge in other continents. It is important that we coordinate and share costs not only inside Europe but on a global scale."

    This is why beyond Europe, ASPERA welcomes on 29 and 30 September 2008 200 scientists and officials of funding agencies from all over the world, in view of international collaboration.

    European astroparticle physicists also affirmed their support to Earth- and space-based missions to explore the phenomenon of "dark energy", to the concept of a cooperative network of deep underground laboratories, and to a common call for innovative technologies [www.physorg.com] in the field of astroparticle physics. In addition, they declared their wish to see the formation of a European Centre for Astroparticle Physics Theory.

    Source: CERN
    Via: http://www.physorg.com/news141887529.html



    Re: Forget black holes, could the LHC trigger a “Bose supernova”? (Score: 1)
    by malc on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 @ 00:41:26 UTC
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    What is it with this obsession about CERN destroying the planet.  In fact every time some physics experiment comes along looking into the heart of matter we get stories about the end of the world.

    Is there some weird sexual high from writing about the end of the world? It seems that way!

    Let me have a go : Experiments looking at reversing the Casimir effect could indavertantly affect the nuclear forces within atoms and reverse them. This would then cause all matter to fall apart and the universe destroyed. An unreality effect. Whew wow that feels good ;-)

    No doubt that scientists will say "We conclude that there is no physics whatsovere which suggets an ubnreality effect". That's comforting and impressive.

    My apologies to the writers of Doctor Who in using the line about an unreality bomb to highlight the stuipidity of the comment at the end of the above article.



    Re: Forget black holes, could the LHC trigger a “Bose supernova”? (Score: 1)
    by TechsArcana on Thursday, October 02, 2008 @ 21:23:05 UTC
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    Just because Helium is in the liquid state, (below 4 degees kelvin) that doesn't make it a Bose-Einstein condensate, or even a superfluid. The temperature has to be within a fraction of a degree of absolute zero for a BEC (under 2 Kelvin for a superfluid) and 3He behaves differently than 4He.

    Even if the Bosenova [en.wikipedia.org] did occur, the amount of energy is very small (as one would expect for a tiny amount of very cold Helium)

    This is just more grasping at straws to support the claim that technology is evil.






    Black holes from the LHC could survive for minutes (Score: 1)
    by vlad on Saturday, January 24, 2009 @ 20:05:38 UTC
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    There is absolutely, positively, definitely no chance of the LHC destroying the planet when it eventually switches on some time later this year.  Right?

    Err, yep. And yet a few niggling doubts are persuading some scientists to run through their figures again. And the new calculations are throwing up some surprises.

    One potential method of destruction is that the LHC will create tiny black holes that could swallow everything in their path including the planet. In 2002, Roberto Casadio at the Universita di Bologna in Italy and a few pals reassured the world that this was not possible because the black holes would decay before they got the chance to do any damage.

    Now they’re not so sure.  The question is not simply how quickly a mini-black hole decays but whether this decay always outpaces any growth...

    More: http://arxivblog.com/?p=1136 [arxivblog.com]




     

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