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Cold Fusion may have finally arrived!
Posted on Monday, May 19, 2003 @ 14:29:55 UTC by vlad
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Anonymous writes: Guess what? There is a new form of cold fusion on the block, and it's spreading like wildfire!
Read all about it on the following sites:
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/index.htm
And especially read this article about the new technology, this is from a British team:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news
And here is a paper by another researcher:
http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy
What do you all think about this new development! It seems like the Cold Fusion naysayers, debunkers, and skeptics may have some crow to eat.
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Re: Cold Fusion may have finally arrived! (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, May 19, 2003 @ 15:04:45 UTC | | In light of jlnaudin's endorsement of Tom Beardens meg I would advise anyone to take anything coming from him or his associates with a grain of salt. Meg according to these people should be in full throttle mass production by now. The only thing in production is his book and PROBABLY trolling for gullible investors. The same goes for Dr. Greer. If you are serious about promoting renewable alternative sources of energy you should drop people like these like hot potatoes. I'm sorry, that is an insult to potatoes which probably provide more power than what these people have to offer. |
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Re: Care with Chemical Data - Not CF? (Score: 1)
by Doug on Monday, May 19, 2003 @ 20:31:37 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I should warn anyone who reads the russian article, that measuring surface elements by EDX and then using this to back up a claim of nuclear transmutation, is not viable proof.
I use this kind of equipment and it regularly finds small amounts of Aluminum and Silicon. Guess why? They are amongst the most common elements and are found in dirt and dust.
There are much better ways of studying these "unusual" reactions and any good university would be able to do so.
The Telegraph article does NOT claim to refer to Cold Fusion, but some weird idea about metastable hydrogen. At least there, we see some seriously funded and trained dudes getting in for a look. As long as we can trust them not to fake us out if there is anything to report.
Having Cambridge Consultants on board seems to me like a good sign and I hope we hear something more substantial shortly. Notice that in this case everyone has names and positions. I'm all for the small inventors to do their thing, but at some stage all of these claims need to get into the spotlight.
Doug
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Another paper showing COLD FUSION! (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, May 19, 2003 @ 21:26:44 UTC | If you don't want to believe the russian researcher, here is a similiar paper from the Japanese researcher Mizuno.
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTexperiment.pdf
His experimentation and analysis also confirm a form of NUCLEAR reaction taking place.
Face the FACTS guys, this experiment shows STRONG evidence for cold fusion! Of course the powers that be don't want this to EVER hit the mainstream, because it would prove to the world that even PRESTIGIOUS institutes like the MIT can be TOTALLY WRONG!
It would turn mainstream physics (that teaches fusion cannot occur in low temperatures) upside down! |
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three studies (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Monday, May 19, 2003 @ 21:53:07 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | The Russian article is interesting. We discussed ithear a while ago and nobody here seemed interested. I'm not sure the calorimetry is complete. I'm really tripped up by the translation, and would like it if a Russian fluent reader, or someone who has this experiment down could answer questions about the setup.
The UK story was fairly well written, and points out a likely measurement error. The researcher agrees that the measurement needs to be gone over more carefully. It makes one wonder why anyone is writing an article about a result the researcher wants to check before he can stand behind it. But the researcher was not claiming cold fusion, but some more black-light-power like chemical reaction. The claim is a little more remarkable than a CF claim.
JLN was called to task even on his censored list for not looking for neutrons. If you are not looking for neutrons, you are not looking for CF, only for anomolous heat. Since JLN's setup is quite similar to the one described in the Telegraph article, the same concern for possible error in the measurement of the input power applies.
There should be some tax on saying that so-in-so will have crow to eat. That could fund a pool for those of us who want a nickel for every time we've been told that we going to eat crow.
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- Re: Crow by Doug on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 @ 01:24:24 UTC
- Re: Crow by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 @ 03:46:37 UTC
- Re: Crow by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 @ 09:00:12 UTC
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Cold Fusion (atomic dissociation) using Tunsten as a Cathode (Score: 1)
by vlad on Sunday, May 25, 2003 @ 00:47:41 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:55:41 +1000
From: pgmstr
Subject: Re: [jlnlabs] Cold Fusion (atomic dissociation) using Tunsten as a Cathode
At 08:16 AM 5/18/03 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Bruce and all...
Dino Kraspedon sites an interesting technique in his book.
Kraspedon states that passing ultra-rays through a simple acid solution
saturated with helium nuclei will produce all the necessary electrical
power any one could want. Metal plates at the bottom of the apparatus
allow for collecting all the power out of the device. Kraspedon explains
the process very simply. Ultra-ray wavelets gyrate travel around the helium
nucleus multiplying the wave energy packet creating electrons (torus). The
acid solution prevents the electrons from joining the helium nucleus. The
excess energy is collected from the bottom plates and used to power any
external device. He also stated a device for drawing helium straight out of
the atmosphere. Another method Kraspedon sited used a sun light plant photo
synthesis technique using (formaldehyde?) and cold gas.
Understanding the Helium technique may help others with their Tungsten Cold
Fusion experiments. These tungsten cold fusion experiments sound a bit like
the Kraspedon technique above.
Try placing plates (capacitance effect?) on the bottom of the CF tungsten
apparatus to collect the excess power instead of heat.
Hope some one finds the info useful....
Grant
For those interested here is a snipit of the Energy device information extracted
from Kraspedons book from the web page below :
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>http://energy21.freeservers.com/fs3.htm
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>Read the entire book at :
>http://energy21.freeservers.com/fs10.htm
>Grant
>Hello Ice Weller,
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>This is the same effect that has been occurring in
>my ion-valves, except, more electricity appears to
>be produced instead of heat.
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>Here is an interesting article:
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>http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aa4whe.htm
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>According to this article we should be looking for
>helium instead of neutrons from our reactions.
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>My observations lead me to conclude that during the
>dissociation process electrons are freed from the
>inter-atomic structure. The atoms reserve of energy
>is released. There is nothing that is created or
>destroyed.
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> Best Regards, Bruce A. Perreault
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Re: Cold Fusion may have finally arrived! (Score: 1)
by vlad on Friday, May 30, 2003 @ 01:06:01 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | From a yahoo discussion list:
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:31:19 -0000 From: "wetmtech" Subject: Some Observations about the Gardner-Watts Claim
First, if you search thru cold fusion documents, you'll find a number of claims regarding Potassium Carbonate in electrolysis experiments.
One in particular: www.hydrino.org/Labs/Anomalous-Heat-from-Atomic-Hydrogen.pdf
If that link doesn't work, go jln labs and read the information attached to his cold fusion experiment.
See also US patent 5273635
I wonder if cold fusion research could be discussed fairly and without emotion if its discoverers would simply call it "electrolytic anomalies". At any rate, I find it repellant to see sincere lab work - replicated by different people in the world with good equipment- casually dismissed as a hoax or whatever.
People with PH.D's can make mistakes certainly, but frankly, it's distressing to see such a lack of ethics and manners in the scientific community. Anomalies concerning atomic hydrogen and electrolysis go back decades - they're nothing new.
wetmtech
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