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    Minato Over Unity Motor Goes Into Production
    Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2004 @ 09:42:19 EST by vlad

    Devices Overtone writes: ___The Techno Maestro's Amazing Machine - by John Dodd
    Kohei Minato and the Japan Magnetic Fan Company
    A maverick inventor's breakthrough electric motor uses permanent magnets to make power -- and has investors salivating

    When we first got the call from an excited colleague that he'd just seen the most amazing invention -- a magnetic motor that consumed almost no electricity -- we were so skeptical that we declined an invitation to go see it. If the technology was so good, we thought, how come they didn't have any customers yet?

    We forgot about the invitation and the company until several months later, when our friend called again.

    "OK," he said. "They've just sold 40,000 units to a major convenience store chain. Now will you see it?"

    In Japan, no one pays for 40,000 convenience store cooling fans without being reasonably sure that they are going to work...

    You can read the article at: japan.com/technology
    This article (with pics) is also available in our Downloads section as a Word doc [Thx to Mark Goldes of Magnetic Power Inc. - Vlad]
    Content provided by J@pan Inc. Magazine


     
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    Re: Minato Over Unity Motor Goes Into Production (Score: 1)
    by Overtone on Saturday, March 13, 2004 @ 12:14:08 EST
    (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.magneticpowerinc.com
    Kohei Minato has been working in this field for many years. I have no reason to doubt the facts presented in this story, which appeared March 12, 2004. It is a remarkable and important achievement.

    First, it will begin to overcome doubt that such technology is possible. His success brings a degree of credibility. Second, it insures that this type of technology cannot be surpressed. His patents have long been in print in many countries, including the U.S. (See #5,594,289, and #4,751,486). Third, it will draw attention. He is a consummate showman as well as a brilliant inventor.

    Some will object that since the motors are not self-powered, the system is not over unity. Obviously, self-powered devices leave no room for that argument, and are therefore the ultimate proof. However, Minato is not an engineer by training. Self-powering such a device is much more complex an engineering challenge than it seems to those unfamiliar with the complexities involved.

    He believes the magnets are the source of the energy in his system. In reality, he is probably tapping Zero Point (Vacuum) Energy and this renewable, inexhaustible, resource prevents demagnetization.

    No less a physicist than Werner Heisenberg once stated he believed: “We could utilize magnetism as an energy source”.

    Although at first it is likely to be ridiculed by most scientists and engineers, it seems to me likely that in time Minato’s achievement will be widely accepted.

    Mark Goldes, Magnetic Power Inc.



    Re: Minato Over Unity Motor Goes Into Production (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Monday, March 15, 2004 @ 13:56:02 EST
    If you use magnetic attraction or a combination of attraction and repulsion, you are less likely to find your magnets demagnetized after a certain time. This is due to the fact that while attraction tends to align the magnetic domains, repulsion tends to scramble this alignment.



    Pro & Con about Minato (Score: 1)
    by vlad on Friday, April 09, 2004 @ 23:29:22 EDT
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    --- Jerry Decker wrote:

    Subject: [Keelynet] Pro & Con about Minato
    Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:15:10 -0500

    Hola Folks!

    Mark Goldes wrote this interesting comment to Beaty's Vortex list;

    http://escribe.com/science/vortex/m30242.html

    Minato is a professional musician, and not an electrical engineer. He has spent the last 30 years developing his magnetic motors. Until the Jap@an Inc. article appeared last month, he apparently spent a long period without publicity, working to overcome the problems which indeed existed in his earlier variations.

    The videos released with the article suggest to at least one engineer with a great deal of background in building and evaluating similar machines, (the type of person the patent office refers to as "skilled in the art"), that he is now producing motors which exceed unity. In the case of his air conditioner blower motor, apparently by 300%.

    This is close to a slightly higher figure mentioned in the article. He claims two independent labs have validated his motors in Japan, but no release of those tests has appeared to my knowledge, at least as yet. The ultimate test of his claims will be made in the marketplace. The bulk of the 40,000 motors he claims have been ordered are fan motors for computers.

    The margin by which they apparently exceed unity is very slight, and therefore not likely to prove conclusive. If blower motors become available for purchase, and therefore independent tests, and indeed confirm apparent efficiency of 300%, his claims will be vindicated. Conversion of vacuum, or Zero Point, Energy by means of magnetic materials appears to be possible.

    Over the coming months, this may prove to be a potential source of the "excess" energy.

    While it is entirely possible Minato will prove to be a scammer, I very much doubt that will prove to be the case. As to having a machine self-run, that is indeed the ultimate test. However, while that requirement appears very logical, the engineering involved is much more of a challenge than is generally realized.

    That said, I believe general acceptance of Over Unity devices will require precisely that achievement. Preferably, in a demonstration device, or a toy, that can be widely reproduced and readily purchased by anyone interested.

    Mark Goldes
    Chairman & CEO Magnetic Power Inc.
    ------------------------

    followed by this negative comment;

    http://escribe.com/science/vortex/m30241.html

    Steven Vincent Johnson writes,

    I really don't know if Minato is the genuine article or not. I'd like to hope that he is.

    I see by the artwork on your website that you are a bit of a visionary... which pretty much goes along with the sentiments that you are expressing. If you don't mind me saying so, you seem a bit obsessed with this Minato story... if you are basing your optimism on your own experiments with magnetic motors, then that background might cast your comments in a different light, so let us know if that is the case.

    Everyone on this forum *hopes* Minato is genuine too, and many of us consider ourselves to be visionaries of a sort - but perhaps a bit more grounded in reality - in that most of us allow 'experience' to be the guide in regard to being able to weigh the potential of over-reaching claims like these. There has been an almost endless parade of similar styled self-deceptions which have appeared from many similar types of inventors over the years, sharing many common traits - mostly of the type associated "inventor's disease." There used to be an essay on Bill B's site about this, and it is worth hunting down if you are not familiar with it.

    Despite personally having an almost blinding optimism for some promising alternative energy ideas, my take on this one from Minato was negative from day-one, and that was many years ago - and nothing has changed since then. This whole announcement procedure is not the way a scientist handles a significant discovery in any field, especially not in a field where scams have been so common in the past...

    Let's face it, 'promising ideas' must be acknowledged as either having some basis in fact...or in theory... or at least in a decent degree of probability based on the credentials of the experimenter. It is a lot saner to be duped by a PhD professor with 40 years experience and an open agenda (no hidden financial motives), then a by a rock musician with a few years of dubious claims, no validated results, zero credentials, and a closed agenda with respect to outside accountability.

    Minato's story simply has the 'look-and-feel' of self-deception or worse... for many reasons, the most obvious being the two that you tacitly acknowledge - there being no theory that can account or predict it and the second problem being how amazingly easy it would be to demonstrate overunity IF it were true. The lack of good theory is not fatal in and of itself - after all, much advance in science is serendipitous and/or inspired by factors that cannot be scientifically accounted for, but that combined with Minato's clear ignorance of electrical engineering, his furtive unscientific nature and obvious attempts at PR and fund-raising... yes, those traits are usually the "dead give-away" of the scam-artist.

    Let's make it clear that this thing could even turn out to be slightly OU to the extent that it will self-power for a few days or weeks with no load, yet still not be able to create useful work to power an external load. If that is the situation, he should realize that the idea is still valuable as a emonstration or even as a *toy* like the Levitron... so go out and PROVE that it can self-spin with no load. The fact that he has not done this after many years of trying is clearly indicative of only one fact - the fact that he cannot do so.

    "However, the Osaka banker stands up after the lecture and announces that before he goes, he will commit 100 million to the investment pool."

    Well, that 'huge sum' is less than $100,000 US, so don't read too much into it - it is laughable as a meaningful sum from an American investment banker. Here in the USA, if you can't loose 100 times that much without flinching, it's really not worth the effort for the off-chance of getting in on the ground floor of the "next big thing".

    This is unlikely to be the next-big-thing...except to the extent that it is the potential next big scam. Yes, it could even turn out to be slightly OU to the extent that it will self-rotate for a few days or weeks, and that would be HUGE in theoretical significance... yet it would still not be useful as a way power an external load. Let's don't even give him credit for the self-spinner until it is demonstrated in public.

    "I also suspect there many in this group that would bend over backwards to lend Minato and hand, IF THEY COULD BE CONVINCED THAT HIS CLAIMS ARE VALID."

    Think about it - how amazingly easy it would be to convince any skeptic - IF Minato really had anything of value - to put it on display as a simple self-runner. Again, the fact that he has not done this after many years of trying is indicative of the fact that he cannot do so, and consequently his present status appears of no greater importance than your average free-energy scammer like Dennis Lee. For your sake, I'm glad that you didn't hear about Dennis Lee first.

    In the mean time, who of us can still remember those immortal words: "Follow the money!"

    That is a bit deceiving - unless it is truly "big money". A more appropriate aphorism in regard to Minato would be "there's a sucker born every day"...

    Regards,

    Jones Beene
    -----------------------
    There are sufficient magnetic anomalies and apparent duplications with such pulsed magnet motors (Lutec, Adams, Konzen, Gray, etc.) showing there does appear to be a spin component in so-called static magnets as well as producing a repulsive force at just the right time to drive a motor, I think to make Minato a very good candidate for having a working machine...of course, self-running would be indisputable;

    http://www.keelynet.com/ohsako/ohsako.htm

    http://www.lutec.com.au/

    --
    Jerry W. Decker - http://www.keelynet.com from an Art to a Science - order out of Chaos discussion archive - http://escribe.com/science/keelynet
    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



    Re: Minato Over Unity Motor Goes Into Production (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Saturday, April 17, 2004 @ 01:34:29 EDT
    This Minato Motor can be VERY EASILLY made, even without special tools, and it WILL WORK. The only question is how EFFICIENT it'll be.

    If anyone would like to find out for himself, you can join our rebuilding effort in the AG group here:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aggroup/message/2412

    Jaro



    Re: Minato Over Unity Motor Goes Into Production (Score: 1)
    by guest on Saturday, December 17, 2005 @ 13:43:38 EST
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    Actually, even if this isn't overunity (and I very much doubt it is), it may still be a great invention.  Many companies are willing to pay big money for a very low power loss electric engine.  For example, they could be used to power hybrid cars and get a few more MPG out of them.  Or they could be used in air conditioners.  (A huge market!)  GE for example makes hundreds of millions of dollars just on its air conditioning moters.  If this company has a smart marketing team, they could go big.




     

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