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Genesis Strikes Again
Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 @ 20:14:21 UTC by vlad
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technophile writes: Genesis puts up "test data" on one of their early prototypes. The problem is that whoever is writing this stuff still doesn't know the difference between a Watt and a Watt hour (power vs energy). The result is a table of "data" which is mostly gibberish, such as "404.05% More Gas Produced Per Watt Consumed". How exactly do you consume a Watt?
http://www.genesis-scientific.org/technology_test.htm
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by sparks35 on Monday, January 24, 2005 @ 23:27:20 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | consume
con-sume'
(ken-soom')
1. devour; eat; destroy.
2. use up; spend, as time.
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I see no problem describing a watt as being consumed.
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gibberish
gib'ber.ish
(jib'er-ish)
inarticulate talk; nonsence.
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The test data is not inarticulate;
and is not nonsence.
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Thanks for the Update technophile. But please let's study it a bit before making conclusions.
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by Rob (rob@zpenergy.com) on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 @ 04:48:40 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | I'll have to agree with technophile, you cannot consume a watt. Watt (W) is a power unit. You don't consume it. You use it, under a defined amount of time, where the integrated power then becomes energy (Ws = J).
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by malc on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 @ 08:32:54 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley | | Pedantic semantics. I think if you were to tell the man in the street that his 2kw fire "uses" 2000watts he will assume he can give it back once he has finished with it! |
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by Technophile on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 @ 09:19:40 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I realize that you can make assumptions that they really mean Watt hours, or kWh, and then look at the numbers from that perspective and get an idea of the efficiency of the process.
My point was that anyone who has the least understanding of electricity would not have made this elementary error. Moreover, they made the same exact error in the original Genesis description several years ago, which was ridiculed on this website and others, and which they finally corrected. Now they make the same error again. Slow learners?
In the early material they had a similar problem where they confused cubic feet of gas with therms. They said the typical house uses a few cubic feet of gas per day (instead of the correct therms per day), while the Edison device was purported to make hundreds of cubic feet of hydrogen per day(which amountd to about one therm). It took them over a year to finally get their numbers right on that one so at least they were making sensible statements (their truth is yet to be determined). Again an elementary error.
Doesn't all this affect your opinion of their credibility just a bit?
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by baldy on Thursday, January 27, 2005 @ 14:32:18 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Their credibility has been suspect for some time and this doesn't help. Tough to tell if this is Kelly speaking or Nejhala Shaw? |
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by Gewis on Thursday, January 27, 2005 @ 16:18:20 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Here's a good analogy that might be helpful.
If 1 energy was distance, power would be speed. You can travel 1 mile by walking 1 mile per hour, or by driving 60 miles per hour. Either way, you've traveled the same distance, but one way did it with far more power.
1 watt-hour is a measure of energy, the amount of energy added to a system if you had it under a power of 1 watt for the duration of an hour. (like the distance you'd travel if you went at 1 mph for one hour, by this analogy) If somebody asks you how far you went, and you tell them 60 mph, that's jibberish, right? Right. But if you say you traveled 60 mph for 1 minute, then we can figure it out. So Technophile is right here. Talking about the amount of gas created per power is silly unless we have a defined and constant time for each evaluative period.
Scientists have terawatt lasers, but they only run them for a few femptoseconds. What does that mean? It means that you've got lasers that use up more power than all of New York City, but use less energy than a AA battery can hold. |
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 @ 13:11:16 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Exactly why 99.9% of the devices promoted by the spurious get shot down in scientific review. Fantastic claims, fuzzy details, bad math. |
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Re: Genesis Strikes Again (Score: 1)
by sparks35 on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 @ 22:42:48 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | technophile, and others,
Thanks for the Electricity 101 Education regarding Watts (power) vs. Watt/Hours (energy). I do believe I understand the difference; and YES, would expect Genesis (with all their grand claims)
to post test results that are, at the very least, free of elementary errors.
Genesis seems to be able to maintain a great Website. (over many months). But, Yes..their
technical credibility is lacking.
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Speaking of numbers...ElectroDynaCat...?
WHERE DO U GET THE... "99.9% of the devices promoted by the spurious get shot down in scientific review. Fantastic claims, fuzzy details, bad math."??
Did you just pull 99.9% out of your hat???
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