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What Bohr's successes represent for Physics
Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 @ 01:42:25 UTC by rob

WGUGLINSKI writes:
Nowadays the quantum theorists consider the Bohr’s successes as accidental, because they face the following dillema:

1- Bohr considered in his mathematical calculation that the electron is submitted to a centripetal acceleration in the instant when a photon is emitted by the atom. Therefore, according to the Bohr model, the centripetal acceleration on the electron plays a rule in his model of atom. And we realize that from Bohr’s theory the emission of photons is connected to the centripetal acceleration of the electron.

2- So Bohr model of atom is incompatible with the fundamental principles of Quantum Mechanics, because the centripetal acceleration cannot exist without a trajectory, and it’s well known that the concept of treajectory cannot exist in QM.

3- Therefore, in order to be 100% correct the hydrogen atom of Quantum Mechanics, it is required that Bohr’s model must be 100% wrong. Otherwise, if Bohr’s model has even a weak botton of truth (that is, if it is not 100% wrong), this imply that Quantum Mechanics is not 100% correct. And this is the reason why the quantum theorists claim that Bohr’s successes are accidental, which means that his model is 100% wrong.


But from the mathematical probability it makes no sense to consider the Bohr’s successes as accidental. Thereby something must be correct in his model, in spite of his theory is not correct. In another words, the mathematical probability shows us the electron is submitted to a centripetal force in the instant of photon emission, although we don’t know what such a fact means.






Theoretical implications of Bohr’s successes:

A serious physicist must realize that the hydrogen atom of Quantum Mechanics cannot be 100% correct, since such a fact is pointed out by the Bohr’s successes. And it means that something very fundamental is missing in Quantum Mechanics.

It’s unquestionable that a serious theorist must be agree that a new hydrogen atom must be found, in order to replace the hydrogen model of Quantum Mechanics.

And such new model must be able to fulfill the following fundamental premises:

a) It must be able to explain the Bohr successes, and why the electron is submitted to a centripetal force in the instant of a photon emission by the hydrogen atom.

b) As the centripetal force requires a corpuscular particle, the new hydrogen model must be formed by a corpuscular electron.

c) It must be able to explain why the hydrogen atom also behaves as the electron should be a wave-particle, as considered in Quantum Mechanics

d) From the items "b" and "c" above, obviously the new hydrogen model must be able to conciliate the Bohr theory with Quantum Mechanics.


These are the conclusions that a serious physicist cannot neglect.


The most theoretical physicists will continue breaking their heads, trying to find a solution for the crisis in Physics by keeping the prevailing attempt (trying to eliminate the inconsistencies of Quantum Mechanics by developing the Quantum Field Theory).

But sure that they will NEVER succeed in their attempt, and the reason is obvious: it’s impossible to eliminate the inconsistences of Quantum Mechanics by stating that the Bohr’s successes are accidental, as the theorists prefer to do.


CONCLUSION:

IF BOHR’S SUCCESSES CONTINUE TO BE NEGLECTED,
THE TROUBLES IN PHYSICS WILL NEVER BE ELIMINATED.


See also:

Successes of the Bohr atom
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Successes_of_the_Bohr_atom

Cold fusion, Don Borghi's Experiment, and hydrogen atom
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Cold_fusion%2C_Don_Borghi%27s_Experiment%2C_and_hydrogen_atom


 
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There is no violation of atomic theory just misunderstanding (Score: 1)
by Randy on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 @ 03:00:41 UTC
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There is no violation of quantum physics rules if the hydrogen atom is considered to exist because of tunneling which is common in systems less than 9 nanometers in size. The hydrogen atom exists due to the virtual state and because it is supported by the process of being continuously regenerated in a process that takes place outside of normal time. There is no mistake, just a lack of understanding of common and universal laws. The truth exists without an understanding of the process. The hydrogen atom is virtual and is sustained by cavitation principles. Look up quantum tunneling in the Penguin book, "Encyclopedia of Solid State Physics". I would enjoy a discussion of this and even entertain ideas about this from Henry.

Ralph Randolph Sawyer




Re: There is no violation of atomic theory just misunderstanding (Score: 1)
by Fran (froarty572@comcast.net) on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 @ 11:49:09 UTC
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Ralph, Wave Structure of Matter works for me and I like your reference to a process outside of normal time. My posit is that the ether exists on the time axis and squeezes it's way through matter on the spatial axis which we perceive as vacuum fluctuations who's density varies with EM suppresion, gravity and acceleration. I am proposing that Rydberg orbitas and fractional orbitals, EM suppression and Casimir effect are all subject to a relativistic interpretation. that is to say the vacum fluctuation wavelengths only appear shorter during supression but are actually the same wavelength contracting from our perspective due to a temporal displacement - a relativistic effect. I had not considered tunneling a related efffect previous to reading your post but now wonder if a fractional state can become so small on the spatial axis that it can diffuse through any normal matter?
Fran


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Our universe must be one of many. (Score: 1)
by Randy on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 @ 06:08:24 UTC
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Our universe is but one of many.

The centripetal force is not nearly strong enough to effect the orbital position of the electron. The only force strong enough to do this is the electromagnetic force. The electromagnetic force must be turning on and off at a fantastic rate for there to be a change in strength of this force that is noticeable at all. That is why there is a hysterisis effect on magnetic domain changes. The magnet is a switch. Atomic forces applicable to orbital changes must include deflection, that is needed for there to exist any precession of electron position. This must involve tunneling and time changes that are interdemensional. The electron pops into being through a doorway to a parallel dimension, temporarily exists for a very short period and returns to its origin. Every object that we perceive as actual must be virtual and sustained indefinitely and recreated indefinitely due to this tunneling from another dimension. The orbital position cannot be determined because the electron is everywhere in the probability zone simultaneously. The electron pops out of our dimension and is back into it before it left. This is the effect of the piezoelectric properties of dielectrical systems. These effects include mass cancellation and exponential and unlimited acceleration. These are the known properties of piezoelectric material. The dielectrical properties of the hydrogen atom is evident but not yet recognized.  Ralph Randolph Sawyer




A very subtle theoretical subject not understood by theorists (Score: 1)
by WGUGLINSKI on Monday, May 19, 2008 @ 09:37:25 UTC
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The question concerning the successes of Bohr is very subtle, and often the physicists do not understand it.

Randy did not understant it too.

However the question is very clear: 

1-  The centripetal force is considered in the Bohr`s calculus.
If it is not nearly strong enough to effect the orbital position of the electron, such a point is irrelevant.  Because Bohr considered the centripetal force in his calculus.  And since his successes cannot be accidental, it means that SOMETHING is connected to the centripetal force when the atom emits a photon

2- The centripetal force requires a trajectory.  But:
2.1- The concept of trajectory is prohibited in Quantum Mechanics.
2.2- The successes of Bohr cannot be accidental
2.3- Therefore Quantum Mechanics cannot be 100% correct

Clear like water . 
But some theorists insist do not understand the obvious


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We just made a zero on the test. (Score: 1)
by Randy on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 @ 10:23:49 UTC
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The orbit of an electron probably is not circular if acceleration and deceleration is taking place as part of the nature of atomic forces and atomic energy. Some have observed a direct relationship between allowed orbits and allowed energy levels. They coincide exactly and that is part of the disagreement as it is believed that this agreement is not accountable using both views of the atom. Neither view: particle or wave is entirely correct. It could not happen. Neither view is 100 percent true. The right answer is that the atom is entirely a vibration of a massless point object. There can be no mass according to theory. At least, the mass can not be measured, and this view is accountable as an observation of piezoelectric objects. The vibration is outside of normal reactions and has the mass of the process cancelled. This is entirely the view of piezoelectric objects and no other objects. So, atoms must be at least partly piezoelectric as otherwise their existence could not have any explanation. We just have to accept that other dimensions are involved in the process, but we do not need to know exactly how the process works or is even possible. So, we just need to accept Walter Cronkite’s condition of argument and say, "And that’s the way it is!"  Just accept the universe as you find it. There must be no further argument. We just need to get on with the job of applying the two theories and putting them down to experience and observation and accept that a mistake was made somewhere. We just made a zero on the test.  Ralph Randolph Sawyer




Re: We just made a zero on the test. (Score: 1)
by WGUGLINSKI on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 @ 17:52:26 UTC
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Randy wrote?

The orbit of an electron probably is not circular if...


Randy, you`re right.


See the orbit that conciliates the Bohr model with the Schrodinger theory here:
  http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Cold_fusion%2C_Don_Borghi%27s_Experiment%2C_and_hydrogen_atom [peswiki.com]



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I had a book. (Score: 1)
by Randy on Thursday, May 15, 2008 @ 01:38:18 UTC
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I wrote a short book that I hoped would help the world survive the present situation. I called this book, ""An Emergency Plan to Repair the Ozone Layer by Learning to Solve World Problems using the Science of Symbiotics a Basic Plan." I had a printed copy in my mother’s house somewhere, and there was a copy in the pickup. I only sent out two copies of this book, one to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change by way of the World Meteorological Organization in Switzerland, and I sent one copy to the Clinton Global Initiative and received a nice reply from Bill Clinton. The book filled the entire envelope and was 57 pages of what I thought was very useful information, but the plan would have shut down the economy as the motor that I designed was nothing more than a hollow dielectric sphere with attached magnets. They could have figured out the rest of the process easily. This is not rocket science. And we have no rocket scientists in Washington D.C. but we do have rocket fuel in our water supply. Our water supply is totally polluted unnecessarily. We do not need any fuel at all to make use of magnetic propulsion. Ralph Randolph Sawyer




Re: I had a book. (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Thursday, May 15, 2008 @ 18:48:47 UTC
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I want to buy a copy of your book, man. Can you sell me one? How much is it and what would the shipping be?

Now you have me totally interested :)




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Re: I had a book. (Score: 1)
by Randy on Thursday, May 15, 2008 @ 20:23:50 UTC
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I will make a copy on my computer and my printer.  You will need to pick this up at the Circle A Store on Woodforest Blvd. in East Houston.  I live near there, but I cannot personally give you this book legally because the technology is classified.  It was classified during WWII and it is still classified.  Considering our world emergency, I do not see how the government could be so upset that someone would want to pursue the technology since it is so easy to do this.  It is 57 pages, plus the title page and submission page and cannot include the letters to Bill and Hillary.  The price is the cost to print this that you would have to stay there long enough to do this on the copy machine at that location.  And you have to promise to make a copy for yourself and another to give to someone else who would be interested.  The store normally charges 20 cents a page, but the printer is not working very well and you will get poor copies and still have to pay 20 cents a page.  I may get locked up for suggesting that you can do this for youself and your countrymen, but I will try and you must try also to get the word out.  The book is mostly just some of my articles, and some continuity and a sermon at the end about being responsible.  You will even have to bring you own copy paper as the owner is not too keen on the idea.  You will still have to pay the 20 cents a page, but you will have something of good value and you will get your money's worth.

I could become President for 24 hours and do a better job of running the country and not even go to Washington D.C. at all.  We do not now need a President the next time.  We need to run the country by a council and hope that the supercomputers can give us some good answers.  But they will only give us good answers if we put in accurate information and an honest accessment of the problems.  If nothing else, we had better pray that we get a good Vice President next time because it is the Vice President who will make the day to day decisions on how to run the country.  I may even have to leave this copy in plain sight and not be present when you make the copy.  The first copy might be removed from the store, but you have to keep trying to find one near there perhaps at a store nearby.  It would be a scavenger hunt for you.  If you love your fellow man, you must remember that the measure of a man is not what he stands for when things are in a normal state, but what he stands for when we are in trouble and our country is in trouble.  Happy hunting.  Somone broke into my computer and wrote this while I was sleeping.  It is late at night and I am asleep in bed. Just remember that. anonomouse.


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Re: I had a book. (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Friday, May 16, 2008 @ 19:04:31 UTC
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Problem is I cannot get to Houston Texas. You would have to send me the book in the mail or something.


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What is cavitation? (Score: 1)
by Randy on Friday, May 16, 2008 @ 04:58:08 UTC
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Cavitation is the formation of bubbles in a fluid that is at a low pressure due to an oscillating energy such as ultrasound. Ultrasonic cleaning baths make use of the proper frequency of vibratory energy and produces a cleansing bubble bath. There is a lot of water in the universe. Water is the stable state of quasi free hydrogen. Hydrogen does not normally exist in a free state, but when extraordinary conditions are met, hydrogen is formed and automatically recombines with oxygen. The recombination process releases the energy that was accumulated by the dissociation process. These conditions are often met in free space under conditions of reduced gravity. This is a totally natural process that takes place every day and is prevalent and sometimes ubiquitous under conditions that are required for the process.




 

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