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NEW REPORT ESTABLISHES CASE FOR COLD FUSION
Posted on Monday, March 22, 2004 @ 18:05:02 UTC by vlad
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Steven Krivit writes: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, MARCH 22, 2004
U. S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT
LOS ANGELES, March 22, 2004 -- Coinciding with the U.S. Department of Energy's decision to re-open the case on cold fusion, investigators Steven Krivit and Nadine Winocur have released the most current work on the history and progress of the science.
"The Cold Fusion Report" is based on personal communication with more than 50 scientists from around the world, 28 of whom Krivit interviewed on camera at the 10th International Conference on Cold Fusion in Cambridge, Mass. As documented in the report, prominent U.S. scientists verify the efficacy of this controversial discovery.
The report follows confirmation by U.S. Department of Energy spokeswoman Jacqueline Johnson, as detailed in the "Upfront" section of the latest issue of New Scientist, that the department has committed to a second review of cold fusion. Another story, tentatively titled "DOE Warms to Cold Fusion," will be published in the April 1 Web edition of Physics Today, at www.physicstoday.org .
The U.S. Department of Energy discussed a re-evaluation of cold fusion on Nov. 6, 2003, when representatives from the Office of Science met with a team of established scientists who have studied cold fusion for 15 years. The scientists reported that cold fusion is real, with results that are robust, verifiable and repeatable.
This review is expected to evaluate the credibility of current claims and, assuming they are verified, decide whether government funding should be directed to cold fusion research.
Although recent experimental results are promising, their commercial viability remains unknown. Scientists hope that new research will provide an answer to whether cold fusion may become a future energy source.
The 53-page report includes quotes from such scientists as Dr. Melvin Miles, former senior electrochemist of the Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division at China Lake, Calif., who, commenting on an eight-year series of U.S. Navy cold fusion experiments, concluded, "In our opinion, these [findings] provide compelling evidence that the [cold fusion effects] are real. This research area has the potential to provide the human race with a nearly unlimited new source of energy. It is possible that [cold fusion] will prove to be one of the most important scientific discoveries of this century."
It also cites a senior member of the technical staff at the U.S. government's Sandia National Laboratories, James Corey, who expressed at the September 2003 Energetic Materials Intelligence Symposium that "an overdue revolution in science will arrive, [and] the reputations of cold fusion scientists and those who revile them may be reversed."
Although 3,000 scientific papers have been written about cold fusion, progress is underreported in the scientific and popular media because of a rift between cold fusion researchers and the scientific establishment, which has refused in its journals to publish articles relating to cold fusion.
In a September 2003 article, science columnist Sharon Begley of the Wall Street Journal noted of this phenomenon, "the only thing pathological about cold fusion is the way the scientific establishment has treated it."
"The Cold Fusion Report" includes the following findings:
o More than 150 scientists worldwide, including 60 physicists, hold that cold fusion
is a verifiable, reproducible low-temperature nuclear reaction, free of harmful radiation
and nuclear waste.
o Evidence that the effect is reproducible and has been demonstrated
in many laboratories around the world, through a variety of methods.
o Citations from five scientific papers which report correlation between excess energy
and the nuclear by-product helium-4, a key finding which verifies the claims of low-
temperature nuclear reactions. Historically, critics of cold fusion erroneously
assumed that "cold fusion" should emit the same nuclear products as "hot fusion."
Later research demonstrated that the hunt for the "missing neutrons" was
misdirected and that the dominant product of cold fusion, instead, is helium-4.
"The Cold Fusion Report" also includes evidence of the veracity of cold fusion in several previously unreleased documents:
o A 1993 report to the Pentagon by former JASONS chairman Richard Garwin and by
chemistry professor Nathan Lewis of Caltech that supports the findings of "excess
heat," providing key evidence for the cold fusion effect. Four years earlier, Lewis
tried unsuccessfully to replicate the cold fusion effect and subsequently became one
of the most outspoken critics of cold fusion.
o A 1991 report by chemistry professor Alan Bard of the University of Texas,
a vocal critic of cold fusion who confirmed the presence of "excess heat"
in an independent laboratory experiment at SRI International.
o Two 1995 papers by scientists from Amoco Production Co. and Shell Research
reporting positive, unambiguous evidence from their own cold fusion experiments.
Part 1 of "The Cold Fusion Report" examines factors that led the scientific community to a premature rejection of the validity of cold fusion and explains why developments in cold fusion have gone virtually unreported. It reviews studies revealing that the early experiments conducted by prominent laboratories that were presumed to have debunked cold fusion were in fact seriously flawed.
Part 2 of the report discusses the current status of cold fusion research. It reviews advances over the past 15 years and identifies the major unanswered questions. The report concludes with a glimpse of possible future applications for cold fusion technology.
"The Cold Fusion Report" was reviewed for technical accuracy by two physicists with decades of experience in conventional fusion, one of whom has studied cold fusion, as well. The other, a skeptical plasma physicist who works for a major U.S. fusion research center, described the report as "correct, readable, even and unbiased, suitable for reaching physicists and educated people."
Steven Krivit
Nadine Winocur
(310) 721-5919 (Cell)
(310) 470-8189 (Office)
steven@newenergytimes.com
http://www.newenergytimes.com
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Re: NEW REPORT ESTABLISHES CASE FOR COLD FUSION (Score: 1) by vlad on Monday, March 22, 2004 @ 21:28:39 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | See also the New Energy Foundation's press release (by Eugene Mallove from Infinite Energy Magazine): http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/pressreleasedoe.html
and Tom Bearden's comments (from his recent updated correspondence section: http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/032104a.htm)
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Subject: RE: U.S. DoE Will Review 15-Years of "Cold Fusion" Excess Heat and Nuclear Evidence
Gene,
That is indeed excellent news! Let us hope they do an honest review (which seems likely this time). If they do, then I believe cold fusion will indeed be recognized and finally "put on the accepted scientific mat".
If so, then much of that success will be due to the sustained efforts and perseverance of one Gene Mallove!
Also, I know you are much into thermodynamics forefront areas, and with very good reason. As you probably are aware, there are already known and recognized areas in forefront thermodynamics that violate the second law of thermodynamics. Violations occur, e.g., in sharp gradients, and not much is known about that, either experimentally or theoretically [Kondepudi and Prigogine, Modern Thermodynamics, Wiley, 1999, p. 459 lists several such recognized second-law violating conditions and areas].
In other thermodynamics forefront research, violations of the second law can and do occur, e.g., from statistical transient fluctuations alone. Modern thermodynamics is largely based on statistical mechanics, and there are no statistics as such without statistical fluctuations also. Accordingly, there are very rigorous thermodynamic transient fluctuation theorems available these days for calculating some of the effects of such fluctuations. One of the best such theorems is given by Evans and Searles; see D. J. Evans and D. J. Searles, "Equilibrium microstates which generate second law violating steady states," Phys. Rev. E, Vol. 50, 1994, p. 1645-1648. That paper advances the transient fluctuation theorem which predicts appreciable and measurable violations of the second law of thermodynamics for small systems over short time scales. The theorem relates the relative probability of delivering negative versus positive work to an experimental vessel. The theorem applies to systems in a constant-temperature environment and initially at equilibrium. This theorem has also been fairly widely applied to other areas and found to hold and be very useful.
A generalized form of the transient fluctuation theorem applies when one manipulates a system so as to change its free energy. See Blau, Phys. Today, Sep. 2002, p. 20 for a cogent lay summary. For the full technical exposition, see Gavin E. Crooks, "Entropy production fluctuation theorem and the nonequilibrium work relation for free energy differences," Phys. Rev. E, Vol. 60, 1999, p. 2721-2726.
In a fluctuation-induced violation of the second law, the reactions involved in the statistics can and do run backwards in a certain size region and for a certain length of time due to the delivery of negative work in the region rather than positive work. Or, more succinctly, this occurs in a temporary condition where the production of negative entropy (due to the production of negative work rather than positive work) occurs rather than the usual production of positive entropy.
Chemically, this negative entropy region and its duration can be a surprisingly large effect and it can last for a surprising length of time. E.g., in a remarkable set of experiments, it has been experimentally proven that such "reactions running backwards" negative entropy fluctuations occur at up to cubic micron level and for up to two seconds or so. See G. M. Wang, E. M. Sevick, Emil Mittag, Debra J. Searles, and Denis J. Evans, "Experimental Demonstration of Violations of the Second Law of Thermodynamics for Small Systems and Short Time Scales," Phys. Rev. Lett., 89(5), 29 July 2002, 050601. The researchers experimentally demonstrated the integrated transient fluctuation theorem, which predicts appreciable and measurable violations of the second law of thermodynamics for small systems over short time scales. Entropy consumption is experimentally shown to occur over colloidal length and time scales, for up to two seconds and at micron size scales.
Note that a cubic micron of water contains something on the order of 30 billion ions and molecules. "Backwards-running reactions consuming entropy and producing negative entropy for up to two seconds can and do occur at such size scale.
The great "objection" to cold fusion by the orthodox community has primarily been based on normal nuclear chemistry with positive entropy production. In that case, so long as the reactions do not themselves "run backward", the normal Coulomb barrier (mutual repulsion) effectively prevents two H+ ions (two free protons) moving toward each other from approaching so closely kinetically that they would collide, so that each would penetrate to the strong force region of the other. Instead, the Coulomb barrier either stops the momenta and reverses them (for exact heads-on approach), or deviates the particles aside from each other for oblique approach. If the two ions cannot penetrate each within the strong force region of the other, there can be no formation of a quasi-nucleus of the expected fusion product, and thus no resulting excitation decay to that fusion product.
The only conventional way to overcome this ordinary "Coulomb barrier" blockage of fusion at low temperature is to go ahead and use high temperature and the resulting very high ion momentum necessary for some ions to penetrate and overcome the normal Coulomb barrier between themselves and their approaching ions, headed at each other and thus colliding. In short, some collision and formation of the necessary "quasi-nuclei" is achieved by brute force temperature and momenta, for some of the ions on mutual collision courses.
Now consider a "reaction reversal zone" up to a cubic micron in size, where indeed the reactions do run backwards negentropically (due to the production of negative work) for up to two seconds. When reactions are reversed, then the law of attraction of charges can also be reversed. In this special zone, momentarily, now the "reversed Coulomb law" is that like charges attract and unlike charges repel -- for up to two seconds and in zones up to a cubic micron in volume. So up to a few dozen billion ions and molecules can be involved in reversals of the coulomb barrier into a coulomb attractor.
Interestingly, the difference between a proton and a neutron is merely the orientation of a single quark. Consequently, theorists need to look into the implications at the quark level when two protons are in such a "negative entropy region" with reactions reversed. In that case, the Coulomb barrier is now reversed between the two protons! It is now the "Coulomb attractor" rather than the "Coulomb barrier". It seems the two protons could now certainly attract each other so closely that each does indeed penetrate to the strong force "deep" region of the other (if things were normal). Further, instead of the "deviation aside" of nominal close misses, the reversed Coulomb barrier can convert a near miss into a collision "hit".
It may also be that the strong force of each particle is also momentarily reduced, depending on the extent of reversal action on the gluon forces and on the orientation of the quarks. At any rate, it appears that a "quasi-nucleus" of two H+ ions can form, with the probably "flipping" of one quark in one proton to turn that proton into a neutron, lowering the excitation. That would be the formation of a quasi-nucleus of deuterium. Then as the transient thermodynamic fluctuation reverses in sign and things move back toward equilibrium, the strong force would again resume its strength (much stronger than the now emerging Coulomb repulsion between the two protons). The notion is that the quasi-nucleus of deuterium would just "tighten" into a normal deuterium nucleus, or just a D+ ion.
At least this notion of a reversal of the Coulomb barrier and a reversal of the law of attraction and repulsion of charges, precisely fits the known fact that negative entropy, reversed reaction zones do occur and have been experimentally demonstrated by thermodynamicists completely independently of cold fusion experiments. This then lends yet one more powerful argument that cold fusion can and does occur under the proper circumstances, and those circumstances may necessarily include the proven "reversal of reactions" that occur in such thermodynamic reversal zones that experimentally violate the second law of thermodynamics by producing negative work, negentropy, and reversal of the Coulomb barrier into a Coulomb attractor.
In our book, Energy from the Vacuum, Cheniere Press, 2002 we also listed candidate "reversed reactions" that would well occur in such fluctuation zones, and that would yield the experimentally observed alpha particles, tritium, etc. in the experiments. These suggested "reversed reactions" are based on the temporary "reversal" of the law of attraction and repulsion of charges, occurring in one of the thermodynamic reversal zones that have been experimentally demonstrated by thermodynamicists. As is well known, the occurrence of such excess deuterium, tritium, and alpha particles is icommon to a great many of the successful cold fusion experiments conducted in multiple laboratories by many researchers, in multiple nations of the world.
Anyway, let us fervently hope that the DoE gives a very rigorous and very fair review and appraisal of the cold fusion situation. And let us hope they also take into account the very important and pertinent transient fluctuation thermodynamics work and its production of significant "reversal zones", as shown by researchers such as Evans, Searles, Rondoni, Wang, et al.
Best wishes,
Tom Bearden
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Cold Fusion (Score: 1) by kurt9 on Monday, March 22, 2004 @ 21:45:37 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | It has been clear to me for some time that the "cold fusion" effect is real. What is not clear is whether it is scalable such that commercial power can be generated. It is possible that cold fusion could be like the Farnsworth fusor in that it unquestionably works, but is inherently incapable of scaling up to produce useful power.
I attended a particle-beam conference in '97, where there were many physicists, material scientists, and ex-fusion people. The ones that I had the balls to ask what they thought of "cold fusion" told me that it is a real phenomenon, but they thought it could not be made into a useful source of energy.
It also seems to me that for "cold fusion" to be practical, a gas-phase version of it has to be developed. Also, if electricity can be generated directly (not using heat exchanger and turbine), that would be useful as well.
The "sono-fusion" appears to be real as well.
What is clear is that we really do not know everything there is about fusion and nuclear processes, in general. This suggests that even if cold fusion turns out not to be useful, that research into it may contribute to other possible conditions that fusion may occur and that, in turn, will lead to commercial fusion power. The tokamak approach has no chance of working. |
Re: Cold Fusion (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 @ 06:59:14 UTC | The tokomak is that what all the "traditional" scientists claim is a limitless clean energy sytem that is just around the corner........a 40 year old corner I believe. It must be true though otherwise why spend even more money on a "working" (sic) reactor for 2005/2006.
I wonder what the result would be if a tenth of the money and the time had been spent on alternative ridiculed energy systems ? At worst the same results as nuclear fusion technology !
If you apply the same rules to nulclear fusion as the sceptics insist must be applied to all these misnamed "free energy" systems. Then you would have to say that nuclear fusion is the biggest scam ever ! |
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Hot Fusion (Score: 1) by kurt9 on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 @ 08:19:01 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | Such is true. Thats why many researchers have given up and left the field. They also told me about several approaches for hot (plasma) fusion that were not funded because of the tokamak "orthodoxy". These include the reverse field pinch (being done in Japan), the spheromak, magnatized target fusion, as well as combinations of these approaches.
The problem with the tokamak (and inertial confinement) fusion programs is the problem with government-funded science and technology in general. It become bureaucratic and rarely, if ever, leads to innovative developments.
I think that as researchers leave the government-funded fusion field, the field will become less active and the funding agencies may become more interested in alternative approaches, both hot and cold, since they will have less money to throw at it.
The other thing I learned about plasma fusion is that, for it to be really effective, an advanced fuel cycle (i.e. Li6-P or B11-P) is needed. Such a fuel cycle requires higher confinement energies than the tritium-deuterium fuel cycle.
The open question is if cold fusion is real, it may be like the Farnsworth fusor in that it cannot be scaled up to make useful amounts of energy. Only effective research will answer this question. I am still not convinced that "cold" fusion will lead to a useful energy production method. |
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Re: NEW REPORT ESTABLISHES CASE FOR COLD FUSION (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Monday, March 22, 2004 @ 22:48:02 UTC | May I throw the first rotten tomato at "Dr" Bob Park ?? ;-)
-Gog
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Re: NEW REPORT ESTABLISHES CASE FOR COLD FUSION (Score: 1) by ElectroDynaCat on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 @ 08:15:19 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) | This phenomenon has been known about since the 1920's when the first experimenters started exposing clean metal surfaces to high temperature gases. Strut (Lord Rayleigh), Langmuir and others, experimenting with the newly developed high vacuum pumps all have written extensively about anomalous energy being produced when platinum, palladium, silver,zinc,copper and gold foils to electrically excited gases like hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen. These experiments point directly to whats happenning in cold fusion.
What has been lacking is the element of repeatabilty, or at least a plausible explanation as to why there has never been a reliable standard of energy production for these systems.
The range of disciplines involved in researching the answers may limit the number of experts that could investigate the process. The knowledge of chemistry, nuclear physics, quantum mechanics, crystallography,and metallurgy needed to resolve the problem may be too broad for the narrowly developed specialties that researchers have confined themselves to studying. They can't "think outside the box" of their own discipline sufficiently to formulate a hypothesis. When you have been receiving grants for your entire career to study one type of particle decay, your ability to shift gears for something as bizarre as LENR or FE/OU may be seriously hampered.
An explanation of whats happening in LENR may be quite simple, once the proper range of disciplines apply to study it. What is not so simple is trying to find the minds with the range of knowledge to seen the problem as a whole entity. |
Good Point (Score: 1) by kurt9 on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 @ 08:26:14 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | Thats a good point. If this phenomenon is real, it should have been observed a long time ago. Yourv references show that it was. Hydrogen embrittlement of metals is a well-known problem in metallurgy and some research has been done to understand and to avoid this problem.
The cold fusion phenomenon is very multi-diciplinary, which is probably the reason why it has not been fully investigated previous to Pons-Fleishman. Its still not clear to me if it will lead to useful energy generation.
You also bring up part of the problem with the government-funded R&D melieu and why it does not work. |
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Re: NEW REPORT ESTABLISHES CASE FOR COLD FUSION (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 @ 12:13:26 UTC | I am of the opinion that it is not ignorance that has held back the field, but of the "new glasses" we all need to wear to see this phenomenon for what it really is ...a nano phenomenon. Let me explain.
We are only now (within the last 5 years) developing the tools and techniques to explore in a sufficient analytical manner what is happening on the surface of these cathodes and within the atomic lattice of these cathodes. We still can NOT image "inside" a lattice to this day.
It doesn't suprise me then that the (former?) naysayers were all "dry" and missed vital clues right before their eyes by the erroneous assumptions that any new phenomenon will ALWAYS be explained by old analytical methods,
and future science would fold neatly away into the same science books as a new chapter. They may have prefered to see a chapter entitled "On errors in calorimetric methods..i.e Cold Fusion" ..However...
Instead we are finding that the breadth of this phenomenon is indeed hinting that a new class of nuclear behaviors may occur in the proper conditions and that entire textbooks may someday be written on the variety of phenomenon being seen.
This mistake by skeptics to "toss the baby out with the spent electrochemisty salt water" is going to be looked upon by a future nano savy world as one of the great missed opportunities of all times and worthy of much historical lessons learned for future generations.
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Quantum effects (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 @ 16:39:19 UTC | I agree - but it never ceases to amaze me that all of the naysayers can't give a bit of thought to quantum effects. Who can to this day explain quantum tunelling & quantum entanglement?
Is it not possible that relatively small numbers of atoms could interact (under some external inducement) in this way and produce the known enormous energy releases accompanying nuclear transformation? Why say "IMPOSSIBLE" when at least some researchers seem to have produced elements they didn't start with?
If something we weren't expecting happens, look into it. 15 years later some well repected people begin to agree.....
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Re: NEW REPORT ESTABLISHES CASE FOR COLD FUSION (Score: 1) by SteveKrivit on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 @ 19:50:31 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) | Dear ZPE's, I present for your entertainment and horror, the bizzare mind of:
DR. ROBERT PARK, Director of Public Information and unofficial spokesperson of the American Physical Society, in a telephone interview with investigator Steven Krivit on 12 Nov, 2003, 7:30 a.m. PST
SK: "I heard they had a conference in Boston recently"
RP: "They have one each year. This sort of dwindling band of true believers each year they get together and talk about the wonderful progress that's been made and none of the rest of us can ever see that."
SK: Which papers do you know about?
RP: "Well, let me give you the experts, Steve Koonin at Caltech, and he has a colleague in the chemistry department Nathan Lewis"
SK: "But you yourself, are there any particular papers you can recommend...perhaps showing claims of neutrons or helium? Any papers that you're familiar with?"
RP: "Golly I haven't gone through that in so long. I don't know offhand what to recommend."
SK: "What do you think about the Tokamak?"
RP: "It turned out to be much harder than we thought, but they make steady progress. Its not spectacular progress, but the joke is it's the energy source of the future and it always will be, because they're constantly giving you an estimate of how many years before we have controlled fusion reactors in business and it doesn't happen."
SK: "In a newsgroup somebody accused you that you wouldn't even read a single cold fusion paper."
RP: "Oh no, I read them till I was sick of them. There's a lot of paranoia in that group and I don't know how to account for it."
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It isn't terrorism we need to fear, it's apathy and stupidity. (Score: 1) by vlad on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 @ 21:49:50 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Steve, thx for the Park "entertaining horror". There are quite a few other "Parkenstein-isms" out there equaly entertaining and sad at the same time. But hey...We do not see things as they are, we see things as we are. (Talmud)
Steve, do you have any comments on Dr. Chukanov's statements (see my post below)? |
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Chukanov was part of the Cold fusion research team at University of Utah (Score: 1) by vlad on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 @ 21:18:22 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | In the free_energy yahoo group Dr. Kiril Chukanov writes: Eric and "People",
Cold fusion is possible in principle - there are no physical laws and principles against it. Like wireless transfer of electrical energy from one place to another. However, both " in principle possible" methods don't work in reality. About 12 years ago several scientists, including me and my wife Angelina, restarted the Cold fusion research in University of Utah Our team used the labs and equipment of former National Cold Fusion Institute. We had an exelent mesurement equipmen(pricise neutron detectors with computer display, chemical lab for determination of helium and tritium, material science lab,etc.). We had a very good investment from two brothers-multimillionaires(from Texas) and many other small investors. I was a leading scientist in gas loading cold fusion technology. We investigated many technologies of cold fusion and many materials like palladium, porous nicel, many metal alloys. We were able to heat the metal samples to red color and to cool them to very low temperatures - close to absolute zero. Because of pending patents we avoided any publications. The most important effect of cold fusion reaction is the presence of neutrons and secondary byproducts like hellium, tritium,etc. After more than one year hard work we NEVER DETECTED ANY PRESENCE OF NEUTRONS ABOVE THE BACKGROUND NEUTRON RADIATION AND ANY OTHER BYPRODUCTS. Our investors were very disapointed and stoped the project. I continued the cold fusion research in my company "General Energy, International". After spending one more year and about $ 300,000 - nothing positive! Steve Jonhs, one of founders of Cold Fusion, couple times told me: "Cold Fusion is not real". Cold Fusion is not real in fact.
What is real is Quantum Energy- energy withot fuel, very high quality energy( electrons and photons may have energy of very energetic cosmic rays) Infortunatelly, we are in America, where everything is money, leading (and non-leading) American scientists are so limited and haughty, everything is propaganda. Because of these facts USA(my country) will miss the possibility and advatages to be first in harnessing of this colossal source of energy.
Best regards, Dr. Kiril Chukanov.
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Re: Chukanov was part of the Cold fusion research team at University of Utah (Score: 1) by vlad on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 @ 21:37:18 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | From the free_energy yahoo group:
Angelina Chukanov wrote:
Dear Sir, and all concerned,
Technology of Cold Fusion is so symple, why wait 10 years in order to harness it? Already 15 years passed since the beggining of Cold Fusion hysteria and still there is no working CF generator. Why? Because science and technology based on this science is not a field for "Believe it or not". Science is not a religion - everything must be prouved in theoretical and practical aspect. I absolutelly disagree with the "King" of this web-site that the theory is not important in harnessing of new phenomena. On a contrary, the right theoretical model helps researcher to find the right way for harnessing this, unknown by the present moment, new phenomena..
I worked on the Cold fusion problem(in a professional way- every day only cold fusion, with good specialists and good equipment) for about two years. Gas loading technology, electrolysis, different metals and alloys, heavy and light hydrogen, etc. Finally, nothing positive which prouves the reality of Cold Fusion. Martin Fleishmann told journalists,after the cold fusion fiasco in France :"I will never return to cold fusion research". Steve Jones, another inventor of cold fusion, sometimes say that cold fusion is real, sometimes(more often) - cold fusion is not real. Can you believe such a "high credibility" person?
A friend of mine, a good researcher from California, told me a year ago: " In Navy they use cold fusion". I don't believe him, if Navy they use cold fusion in practical way, why not in the scale of whole country?
Controlled,or directed, thermonuclear fusion(synthesis) was another Great Show in Fusion hysterya last century. Hot and Cold fusion are twins-brothers of controlled fusion. Experiments aiming at establishing a controlled fusion of heavy hydrogen have been conducted for about halve a century A great deal of material and the talents of very bright physisists and engineers have been engaged in this quest, yet still without final satisfactory results. This frustrating fact cannot help but give rise to a suspicious that the problem is technically insoluble. It is unusual for a new idea not to receive practical applications within five years or less. The first atomic bomb was constructed and exploded six years after discovery of uranium decay, and the first atomic nuclear plant began operations shortly thereafter. The first thermonuclear(hydrogen) bomb exploded in 1957, yet the first thermonuclear power plant has yet to be built. What is the reason for this gap between knowledge and application? Is there a practical/technical obstructions, or has something been misenunderstood about the theotetical model? In my first book, part of my General Mechanics I explained this problem. The problem is that in high temperature plasma(about tens of millions degrees centigrades), the stability of plasma is controlled mostly by the expansion(in fact explosion) of the space occupied by the very hot nuclear plasma. Contemporary science doesn' know this fact. It is impossible to create an electromagnets able to stop this unstability of the plasma. I.e., the problem is technically insoluble.
Controlled Hot and Cold Fusion are in principle theoretically possible, but they are technically impossible. Some bursts of fusion neutrons or others nuclear byproducts are possible, but sustained, economically efficient, fusion process is IMPOSSIBLE. The same is valid for Cold Fusion. I'll try to be brief. The heat effect in cold fusion is due mostly to the effect of collapsing of the space occupied by hydrogen gas. Some bursts of fusion neutrons are possible, but they produce insignificant amount of energy. If the process in reversed- gas deloading from the samples or stop the electolysis, the samples cool down. Total "cold fusion" energy is allways ZERO. If, for some reason(which never happens) all energy is due to the fiusion process, then the amount of fusion neutrons will be so big,so these neutrons will damage or destroy the sample(palladium, nickel, SmCo5 alloy,etc.) very shortly after that. It is impossible to create a stable ,reliable and economically efficient cold fusion process. Most likely next few years we will be witnesses of next stupid spending of money and scientific effort in this losing energy quest.
Look on pictures presented in my web-site: www.chukanovenergy.com. On these pictures you can see a little sun created by Quantum Free Energy process The same happens in our Sun - Quantum Energy is the source of energy of our star, nuclear energy accounts for little part of total energy in stars. Quantum Energy is the future, not ZPE, Cold Fusion, or all electromagnetic free energy devices.
Oil companies are not interested in changing the chemical energfy(oil, gas) by some other energy source for they will lose a huge business. My work on Quantum Energy is monitored by some oil companies in order to stop the practical use of this energy source without fuel. My work is also monitored by some forein intellegeces from Germany,France,Russia and Pakistan At the same time, CIA and DOE don't care too much about my invention. The same was with the treat from the fundamentalist islamic terrorists before Sept.11. QE bomd can be created very easy and transported(in truck) to any big city in USA. The power of such a divice can be hundreds of times more powerful than any nuclear bomb. Unfortunatelly, American scientists-advisors to the US government are very limited people.
Best regards, Dr. Kiril Chukanov.
p.s. For more information snd me an E-mails, phone calls, letters,or visite my lab in Salt Lake City. All are welcome in my house and lab.
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No link at DoE (Score: 1) by Rob (rob@zpenergy.com) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 @ 05:41:07 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | There is no link to this information at DoE, neither is there any hit when searching for "cold fusion". Does anyone have a pointer to it ? Or is this misinformation ??
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Pick up last week's (March 20) New Scientist (Score: 1) by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, March 25, 2004 @ 06:49:48 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | It should be in your library. The story's not on-line, but the contents is on-line and you can see there is a fusion article last week. |
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Re: No link at DoE (Score: 1) by SteveKrivit on Thursday, April 15, 2004 @ 16:23:24 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) | Rob:
You are correct. The DOE did no announcment. They wanted to keep it quiet and still do. I communicate with them weekly to find out news of progress but they are tight-lipped.
Nadine and I knew it was in the works and we (and Gene Mallove) were the only ones to disseminate the news and inform both the general public and the rest of the media. Here are other journalists who have subsequently independently confirmed the facts.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30B11FD3E540C768EDDAA0894DC404482
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-04w.html
http://www.projo.com/opinion/editorials/content/projo_20040405_edfusion.153171.html
Thanks for your interest,
Steven
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THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTS (Score: 1) by vlad on Thursday, March 25, 2004 @ 19:52:58 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Steven Krivit writes: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -
MARCH 25, 2004
THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTS: NEW U.S.
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY REVIEW TAKES
COLD FUSION TO BRINK OF ACCEPTANCE
"THE 2004 COLD FUSION REPORT" PROVIDED BACKGROUND
INFORMATION
TO NEW YORK TIMES REPORTER KENNETH CHANG FOR STORY RESEARCH
LOS ANGELES, March 25, 2004 -- Investigators Steven Krivit and Nadine Winocur
have released the most current work on the history and progress of the science.
"The 2004 Cold Fusion Report," the outcome of a four-year
investigation, establishes the veracity of cold fusion.
.................the main text is essentialy the same as the original press release [ZPEnergy]
"The 2004 Cold Fusion Report" has garnered the following praise:
"This is very interesting for me, in part because of my continuing
interest in neglected science, and in part because I knew Fleischmann & Pons.
Several things in the report were new to me and look very promising
indeed."
- Dr. Henry H. Bauer, Editor-in-Chief, Journal of Scientific Exploration
"This is a fine report. It is a work well done, the old-fashioned way,
with hard work.
I hope the world reads it -- it is well-written and powerful.
I hope the world acts on it -- it is clear, concise and concrete."
- Dr. Michael Staker, materials scientist and research engineer, U.S. Army
Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Grounds
"'The 2004 Cold Fusion Report' has brought a wide variety of interesting
and complex material together. It should be helpful for someone trying to
understand what the arguing has been about."
- Dr. Michael Melich, senior research professor at the U.S. Naval
Postgraduate School and former branch head of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory
Pullquotes and art are available on request. For a copy of "The 2004 Cold
Fusion Report," e-mail your request with full contact information to New
Energy Times at press@newenergytimes.com
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Steven Krivit
Nadine Winocur
(310) 721-5919 (Cell)
(310) 470-8189 (Office)
steven@newenergytimes.com
http://www.newenergytimes.com
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Cold Fusion Heating Up ... (Score: 1) by vlad on Saturday, March 27, 2004 @ 14:39:15 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Sterling D. Allan writes: The following story from PESN is scheduled for release at PRWeb tomorrow. Your donations can help increase its exposure among the news services. Just $30 will most likely put it on their home page for the day, and it will appear at Google News and Yahoo News.
This story reflects a major breakthrough. Yet thus far, according to Google News, since March 22 when the story first broke, only four mainstream news organizations worldwide have covered it: NY Times, SL Tribune, India Times, and International Herald Tribune (France). This is one of those times when we can really help catalyze things along.
To contribute: http://tinyurl.com/2xmas
(We got lucky on the randomly assigned tinyurl! It is rare to get words with actual meaning, and every letter/number holds meaning in that 5-character code.)
[GreaterThings is one of the birthing organizations of PES.]
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Here's the story:
www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/ColdFusion_DOE/
or try: http://tinyurl.com/yvd3e
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The story was first picked up by Google News from ZPEnergy on March 22 [Vlad]
Here is the PRWeb link to the story:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/3/prweb114697.htm
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Umm, on April 1? (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Monday, March 29, 2004 @ 07:19:07 UTC | Dammit, I was getting all excited about this report, and then I realized it was set to be posted on April 1.
Someone has a great sense of humor, but I don't I guess. I wanted a real report on Cold Fusion!!! |
It wasn't posted April 1:st (Score: 1) by Rob (rob@zpenergy.com) on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 @ 04:09:43 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | If it were meant as a hoax, it would indeed've been posted 1:st of April. But it wasn't.
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Re: It wasn't posted April 1:st (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 @ 16:25:32 UTC | Yeah, but it says it WILL be posted on April 1st of the Physics Today web site. |
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Re: It wasn't posted April 1:st (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 @ 12:17:15 UTC | It's probably because THEY think it's a hoax!
-Gog |
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Re: It wasn't posted April 1:st (Score: 1) by Rob (rob@zpenergy.com) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 @ 01:05:00 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | We'll see if it gets posted today then. With the AIP affiliation, it wouldn't be a wonder. Perfect way to keep their backs clear (so as to be able to claim it as an "April-fools-day joke", which I'm sure the editors of Physics Today think it is).
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Multiple posts and private info forbidden on this site (Score: 1) by vlad on Thursday, April 01, 2004 @ 21:25:34 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Pickle's comment was to an anonymous article who posted it not less than 18 (!) times (at the end of every thread under this news story). He/she also posted a private phone number (not his/her) which we do not allow on this site.
To quickly & efficiently clean up such a massive waste I was forced to delete all posts from that particular IP from today. This was done not because of the content of the respective post (except for the phone number) but because the poster abused this forum and clearly showed he/she doesn't understand that multiple similar posts are not necessary here since the "LATEST COMMENTS" section will list your comment wherever it is. I have not blocked the IP (yet) so the original poster can do it properly this time. |
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private info (Score: 1) by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, April 01, 2004 @ 21:55:43 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | The private info and other duplicate posts Vlad's deleted include some bizarre personal attacks against the two authors of the root article here, Nadine Winocur and Steven Krivit, and some contact info for Winocur. To summarize the attack
1 - Stephen appears to work as a computer network consultant as a day job.
2 - Nadine's a psychologist who writes about cults. Maybe she's also a cult survivor. That she writes about cults is easy to see, I have only Mr Multipost's word on her cult survivor status.
3 - We have (what Mr Multipost says is) Nadine's office number in the 310 area code. Vlad errors on the side of prudence here. What Mr Multipost calls Nadine's office number is listed in Sterling's article and at the newenergytimes site as well.
It looks to me as if Mr Multipost is Steve or Nadine, and that this article is an experiment/prank. If anyone has the energy for fact checking, they ought to start with the March 20 New Scientist. |
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Re: private info (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, April 02, 2004 @ 10:19:52 UTC | Actually I was just making an observation based on a quick survey with a google search.
Winocur's office address is the same as the alleged New Energy Institute. (I blocked out the rest of the telephone numbers per your earlier request)
As for data accuracy the few ariticles listed show former cult status as well as filing claims against dentists for using amalgam fillings. (Really, I'm not kidding, check the dockets filed)
I think anyone shelling out money these two should think twice. The source is not from the sort of researcher or author who is doing legitamte work in the field.
To answer your question no I am not either of the authors.
Here are the web sources.
CA-Los_Angeles - ... Willner LP, Carol 1100 S Beverly Dr Ste 200 Los Angeles, CA 90035 (310) Winocur LP, Nadine 11664 National Blvd Ste 142 Los Angeles, CA 90064 (310)...
http://www.ubhprovdirect.com/CA/CA-Los_Angeles/
Profile: Nadine Winocur - Profile: Nadine Winocur author The Individual Cult Experience Index: The Assessment of Cult Involvement and Its Relationship to Postcult Distress, Cultic ... 2. ...
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_profile/winocur_nadine.htm
Therapists who work with Watchtower and other cult-related Issues: - ... Daniel Shaw, CSW 212-581-6658 New York, NY Doni Whitsett, Ph.D 818-789-8070 Encino, CA Sue Koepnick 208-324-2379 Jerome, Idaho Nadine Winocur 310-990-7320 ...
http://www.freeminds.org/psych/therapists.htm
DOCKETS ENTERED on 08/05/02 - ... EMC 2037 Ujjala Marie Schwartz Vol#: 212. EMC 2038 Nadine Winocur Vol#: 212. EMC 2039 Ann Fonfa Vol#: 212. EMC 2040 Alexandria Wydzga Vol#: 212. ...
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/02/Aug02/080502/080502.htm
FACT.Net, Inc. (Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network ... - ... Dynamics. Nadine Winocur Craig, MA & Robert Weathers, Ph.D. * Deprogramming: A Case Study -- Part II: Conversation Analysis. Steve ...
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/misc/Factnet/CONTENTL.TXT
[More results from www.whyaretheydead.net]
^ Langone, Michael Ph.D.: "History of the American Family ... - ... Relationship to Postcult Distress. Nadine Winocur, Jonibeth Whitney, Carol Sorenson, Peggy Vaughn, & David Foy. CSJ Vol.15. No. 1. ...
http://www.cultsandsociety.com/csr_articles/langone_michael_affhist_05.htm
RESOURCE: Secular Perspectives on the International Churches of ... - ... Vol. 10, No. 2 (1993). See http://www.csj.org/ American Family Foundation Craig, MA, Winocur, Nadine, and Weathers, Robert. "The ...
http://members.aol.com/djrtx/secular1.htm
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IP address ; cult members (Score: 1) by chipotle_pickle on Friday, April 02, 2004 @ 13:13:56 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | Vlad wouldn't have reported your IP to anyone. If you got attacked yesterday, it's much more likely to be script kiddies than retaliation.
I can see from the article with Weathers on whytheyaredead that Winocur does say she was in a cult. I can't hold that against someone; everyone makes mistakes. It's holding to error in the face of evidence that's blameworthy.
I can't verify what you say about suing her dentist over fillings. That is pretty crazy, but maybe she's just completely innumerate and fallen under the influence of some slick con.
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Re: IP address ; cult members (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, April 02, 2004 @ 15:38:51 UTC | I didn't think you would be the malicious type as I was actually thinking it might have been one of the authors with IP attack. After all one of them is in the computer network support business.
As for the other data I am not really concerned about the past associations just the present motivations. With the bogus addresses and questionable institute title it just seems to reek of a scam to line pockets.
Anyway, I do think your site has some good information on the subject apart from the one we have talked to death already.
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Re: Multiple posts and private info forbidden on this site (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, April 02, 2004 @ 08:19:33 UTC | I do apologize as I thought it was necessary to post the info on more than one reply. The fear was it would not be read by those truly interested in the field. I guess you can say I am just concerned about this topic and feel than persons taking advantage of true research are as bad as the government trying to suppress the data.
It should also be noted I did not realize the phone number was something forbidden as Krivit clearly left office, personal cell number, and address on the release. I did a web search and found Winocur’s psychological office address to be the same as the alleged New Energy Research institute. It seemed more than bogus at that point so I merely stated that and added the additional phone number as well. I will note for future reference.
What I do find interesting is that after making this posting my firewall seems to have deflected more than one assault from a certain network in West LA. Now that seems odd. I guess censorship is only bad when it is done by our government. Kind of makes you think.
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Re: Multiple posts and private info forbidden on this site (Score: 1) by vlad on Saturday, April 03, 2004 @ 19:15:46 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | OK...Aside from the "Latest Comments" you can also customize the way you want to see the comments ...by choosing "Nested" or "Flat" you can see all comments at once (look just below the main text for the selection box).
Please note that posting other people's phone number, address, etc. is not the same thing as when they post it themselves. If you know that this information was posted by the owners themselves, just give a link to that post (location).
We do not retaliate or give any IP out except when required by a court order.
I see you are still posting anonymously. If you're reluctant to register, at least, why don't you sign your posts with the name Pickle gave you, "Multipost" (it's a cool alias). |
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Re: I wonder if Winocur will write about us (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, April 02, 2004 @ 10:01:05 UTC | Good point. |
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