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Bearden Mirror Site USPTO Want to Know Other Info-Sources NE News Sites AER_Network E-Cat World NexusNewsfeed ZPE NE Discussion Groups Energetic Forum EMediaPress Energy Science Forum Free_Energy FB Group The KeelyNet Blog OverUnity Research Sarfatti_Physics Tesla Science Foundation (FB) Vortex (old Interact) Magazine Sites Electrifying Times (FB) ExtraOrdinary Technology IE Magazine New Energy Times Interesting Links		The comments are owned by the poster. We aren't responsible for their content. No Comments Allowed for Anonymous, please register Re: Cell Size Limits on Zero Point Energy Converters (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 @ 16:05:42 UTC Your train of reason is admirable but I feel you aren't seeing the big picture. To harness energy in a closed system one must create a differential. The paradoxical state of matter within the ZPE is such that neither the matter nor the ZPE can be considered open or closed. Your point is the same as the classical vs. quantum problem; where does the difference exist, in scale only? I don't think so because I don't feel the need to reconcile Newtonian and Quantum physics, they are merely aspects to the GUT... So the question is what is the opposite of ZPE? If you want to create a difference you have to know this. ZPE is a misnomer to me, ZP is potentiated energy yes? I prefer ZPM where M stands for manifold or surface area. How does a vacuum fluctuation break loose from its isometric, non-dimensional host? And when it does how does it iterate itself, feed the matter nearest to it, and complexify? Non-Dimensional - Scalar Space - Negentropy Attractor Trans-Dimensional - Golden Helix Space - Strange Attractor Inter-Dimensional - Origin Ratio Interference - Entropy Attractor These 3 aspects of space are all superimposed and co-existing. The difference is non-local vs. local non-linear vs. linear Scale is irrelevant because the mediating aspect is scale-invariant. The true free energy device that taps the ZPE/M, be it rotary or solidstate will utilize a vortex or billions of little ones caught in a quantum cell. The medium of this quantum cell can be conditioned magnets, plasma or... Point is, all vacuum fluctuations naturally travel on the Golden Helix Orbit before they hit another vacuum fluctuation and become the third aspect, a free energy device merely corrals the vacuum fluctuations into a self-similar vortex BEFORE this can happen - once corraled it can be harnessed anyway one chooses. Thanks Matty | Parent Re: Cell Size Limits on Zero Point Energy Converters by ElectroDynaCat on Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 10:14:33 UTC Free Energy from Atoms (Score: 1) by vlad on Friday, July 18, 2003 @ 00:20:30 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com This is another interesting post on the same subject (theory of tapping ZPE) from the free_energy yahoo list: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:17:36 -0500 From: "David Thomson" Subject: Free Energy from Atoms I have uploaded my new web page describing free energy from atoms. This is a first draft of my notes and is entirely theoretical at this point. The equations are derived from my Quantum Physics Model. The data is from NIST. http://www.tshankha.com/free_energy_from_atoms.htm The theory shows how certain atomic isotopes can be used for obtaining energy from the Aether. It also explains how atomic reactions also obtain energy from the Aether, at least in theory. I welcome any critical reviews and questions, but not mere snide remarks. If you don't know your physics and the math behind them, please leave the discussion for those who do. More notes on my Quantum Physics Model are available at: www.tshankha.com. A few differences between my model of physics and that of the Standard Model are: 1. In my model charge is always represented as a distributed charge (i.e. coul^2 instead of coul) 2. All subatomic particles are seen as primary angular momentum (two-dimensional matter); not as solid particles and not as waves. This eliminates wave/particle duality. 3. The photon in my model is essentially and outward expanding electron and not a point particle. The outward expansion causes the photon to loose the electrostatic charge but retain its electromagnetic charge. The photon moves at the speed of light, as does gravity, thus causing the photon to appear as though it were in free fall and massless. 4. In my model the electron and proton have two types of charge, electrostatic and electromagnetic. The electrostatic charge has a spherical geometry and the electrostatic has a toroidal geometry. The neutron and photon also have electromagnetic charge, but no electrostatic charge. 5. The structure of electrons, protons, and neutrons are such that it appears there are two half-toroids spinning in opposite directions in the stable versions of these particles. This configuration allows for half spin which covers 720 degrees of arc. These half toroids are both electromagnetic and are attracted together according to Coulomb's law. 6. In my theory the mechanical (angular momentum) and electromagnetic (electromagnetic charge) properties of all subatomic particles always have the exact same ratio. Even the Aether space) has an inverse mechanical and electromagnetic nature with this exact same ratio. 7. In the Quantum Physics Model Aether (space) is seen as an essential component of reality. All physical matter exists within space and this space is dynamic, not lifeless or static. 8. The Quantum Physics Model has a mathematically correct Unified Field Theory, the Standard Model does not. 9. My theory also acknowledges a conductance constant for free space, the Standard Model does not. This conductance constant is essential to understanding the true nature of the Quantum realm as it is directly responsible for producing electromagnetic charge. k.c stands for Coulomb's constant. This should be apparent for people who understand Coulomb's law, but you are right, I should have identified it anyway. The values for e.emax, e.pmax, and e.nmax are: e.emax = 2.335e e.pmax = 100.058e e.nmax = 100.127e where e is the elementary charge of 1.602 x 10^-19coul. Notice that the electromagnetic charge (strong nuclear force) of the proton and neutron are just about 100 times stronger than that of the elementary charge, just as experiment has proven. Dave | Parent

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