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Interesting reading from the free_energy yahoo list. I agree with one thing: if tapping this FE was easy, it would’ve been done by now. The “sea” of enormous potential energy is there, in the vacuum, since the creation of this Universe, probably from nothing!
--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "rubepac" wrote:

I am a relative novice to this whole world of free energy and perpetual motion. I was considering the use of gravity as a perpetual motion device. Why is the earth not considered moving in a certain form of perpetual motion? Is there something about conservation of energy that I am missing when it comes to the revolutions of planets around a given orbit that stops it from really being perpetual motion? ...Ruben…

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "Leo C" wrote:

Hi Ruben,

We should distinguish between two general types of perpetual motion:

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"Trivial" Perpetual Motion -- extracting energy from this type of process slows it down, making it no longer perpetual. For example, tapping the kinetic energy of the Earth's rotation about its axis (by somehow employing the Coriolis effect) will cause the rotation to slow down. Likewise for tidal energy (the Moon's gravitational pull on Earth's oceans is gradually slowing down Earth's rotation). The energy content of this type of PM s really just energy left over from the processes that formed the universe. Some people confusingly classify hydroelectric and wind energy as perpetual motion/"free energy", but these are just indirect forms of solar energy (which is in turn powered by nuclear fusion).

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Over-Unity Perpetual Motion - extracting energy from this type of PM would *not* slow or consume it, therefore it would supply "free energy" forever, in direct violation of thermodynamic laws. This can further broken down into two sub-types.

Type I PM - violates the First Law of Thermodynamics ("total energy/matter of a closed system is constant") by creating energy from nothing (or at least appear to do so, since we can not rule out the possibility of here-to-fore unkown energy sources). Unbalanced gravity wheels are the most ancient and still the most common attempts. To my knowledge, no one has reproducibly achieved type I PM (don't blame the "Big Conspiracy" that supposedly suppresses PM; anyone with a working device and an internet connection could defeat the "conspiracy" by simply posting a diagram online).

Type II PM -- violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics ("entropy of a closed system cannot decrease") by spontaneously creating a temperature or pressure difference (or any other form of entropy decrease, such as sorting of molecules) from a closed system initially at uniform temperature and pressure (and without consuming a fuel). The usual approach, as in the classic "Maxwell's Demon" thought experiment, is to exploit ambient thermal energy (at uniform temperature) by somehow sorting the fast molecules from the slow ones (temperature is a measure of *average* molecular kinetic energy). Although no one has apparently achieved this type of PM, it somehow seems less radical than type I PM (because the former "merely" attempts to reduce disorder, while the latter creates energy from nothing) so even academics are willing to look into it. This is the topic that keeps me interested in the whole "free energy" fracas.

I hope this helps. All are welcome to suggest corrections/refinements to my description.

Leo C.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "murilo filo" wrote:

Ruben, hi. If you read to all skepticals down in this group you'll find yourself stuped and crazy. There are things that you see and feel inside, by intuition, if you are able... If all stuffs they say are the final and last words, this group and others, and their moderators have no sense for to be here speaking cartesian scripts... When time comes, FE will come. Up to then, people like you and others must to try, enquire, smell and persecute... It is possible, FE is possible and in right moment NOTHING will block and hold. FE already does exist in ideas, it's a question of practical realization. Keep on search. Regs. Murilo SP sept/06

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "professor_ele" wrote:

Murio,

The owner of this list is a skeptic and originally created this list for the purpose of debate between skeptic and believers to emphasize critical thinking and denounce 'wishful' thinking.

It appears that you are beginning to use the same tactics that almost all free-energy believers do - the suppression of knowledge and scientific thought. You seem to be telling the poster to not read anything from skeptics. If one wishes to not hear the skeptical side then one needs to be posting on a different group. You can be sure that if nonsense is posted here, it WILL be attacked.

Questions: Why do you think that many people post diagrams or descriptions of their ideas on here? Are they looking just for a pat on the back? Most of these ideas are very simple and easy to construct. Why then do they not construct them and see for themselves whether it works or not? What about your device? You have the design and from photos I have seen you appear to have it mostly completed. Does it or does it not work?

It appears that objective is not to build anything, but to describe something that breaks those hated laws of science that skeptics cannot explain, therefore putting them in their place and winning some kind of moral victory.

This is not going to happen with words. We already have our words such as 'entropy in a closed system cannot decrease' etc. If the objective is victory, then you must BUILD a working device that we can see and perform measurements upon. If you are sincere and wish to obtain help then you must listen to responses from people that have the knowledge, whether you like the reponses or not. You can't obtain the truth by filtering the responses to listen to only those that you want to hear.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, “Teo Rodriguez” wrote:

Hello Perpetuists, conservationists and skeptics... I have been quiet for a while, unable to read much on the always interesting topics of this group but...

The last messages (in Digest#1345) of Ruben, Leo's clever and "classic" response to Ruben and Eric's additional -and very important- comments on the "reference frame" aspects to understand why seems impossible to harness earth's kinetic energy or Earth's own gravitational field (once again, repeating that no one ever has done it, in centuries of thousands of perpetuists' attempts, which unfairly OMITS again the enduring evidence of ORFFYREUS' case) also pointing at the apparent gravity field's main doom: it only gives energy in one direction, down; it takes back what it gives if going back up ,no matter how.

This is sure conventional prevailing "sciences", hopefully not for long. Leo's descriptions of the two kinds of Perpetual Motion: first kind (implicit in motion by action or force), which would violate conservation of energy ; and second kind (implicit in motion by inertia), which would violate entropy, is also valid, but makes a commonly repeated but never sustained assumption about the P.M. of the First Kind, that it would create energy from "nothing". NOTHING? a complex arrangement that involves forces -or fields- matter, controlled motion, levers and profound knowledge of Newton's axioms, relative motion, power, positive and negative work, terminal velocity, etc. which leads to the "POWER LEVER" (our --my twin brother and I- thesis' register term to the principle of how to obtain creation of energy or OVERUNITY, and which should have been discovered in the 18th or 19th century, if were not for the immense prejudice against the perpetuists (and the misguided world-view of the conservational paradigm, still prevailing) even worse than against the alchemists, this will be excellent food for the epistemologists. Sure energy cannot be created from nothing, but from a proper "arrangement". By the way, modern quantum-physics is finding more and more how matter and reality seems more and more a matter of "arrangements" as the causes of substances and forces, maybe even of time and space.

Well my friends, keep the search and quest, have to go...
Doroteo A. Rodriguez

p.s. As I have mentioned before, my twin brother Porfirio and I are now translating our 1985' thesis: "QUESTIONNING THE LAWS OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY AND MOMENTUM/The Promethean Challange" and as soon as is done we will place it in internet, there you all will be able to understand the PORDOR Corollary or POWER LEVER ,so far the only clear principle on how to CREATE energy.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "Gary S." wrote:

Ah, yes, the never ending quest to find just the right "arrangement" of levers, which would have been uncovered and given to the world if it were not for the "misguided world-view" and "prejudice" of society.

Perhaps there really is perpetual motion, that of people always looking for that "arrangement" of levers which will extract energy from...? Really, if it's all just how levers are arranged, where DOES the energy really come from?

I'm sure that after that book you mentioned is fully translated you'll have a working arrangement of levers that is giving you all the energy you need, so once you're at that point PLEASE tell us all about it! Go for one of the prizes available (take a shot at Randi's $1,000,000).

- Gary