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Full story: http://www.physorg.com/news121600987.html   Login Nickname Password Security Code: Type Security Code Don't have an account yet? You can create one. As a registered user you have some advantages like theme manager, comments configuration and post comments with your name. Related Links · More about General · News by vlad Most read story about General: Z machine melts diamond to puddle Article Rating Average Score: 0 Votes: 0 Please take a second and vote for this article: Options   Printer Friendly "The trouble with hybrids: Hybrid electric vehicles not as green as they are pain" | Login/Create an Account | 3 comments | Search Discussion The comments are owned by the poster. We aren't responsible for their content. No Comments Allowed for Anonymous, please register Re: The trouble with hybrids: Hybrid electric vehicles not as green as they are pain (Score: 1) by plastronneke on Friday, February 08, 2008 @ 07:05:21 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) There have been already electric cars ... look op for the GM EV1, a car as fast as a fueled car. Could run for 300 miles (with upgrade), accelerates at least as fast as the average car. Pulled out of the market for dubious reasons, costumers couldn't even keep their car (all were leased). I think the main problem is that automobile industry doesn't want to get rid of the fuel, otherwise they would already have done it a long time. For more information look at the documentary "who killed the electric car?" Re: The trouble with hybrids: Hybrid electric vehicles not as green as they are pain (Score: 1) by malc on Friday, February 08, 2008 @ 00:16:54 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley What is astonishing is that people who stated the bleedin obvious "stop gap until more sustainable technology is developed" get paid to think these things. I ask you...... As an aside: I had always beleived that there was a minority of the working population that were complete idiots who occasional pop up to the surface and cause chaos.  However it is becoming ever more obvious that a significant proportion of the working population are morons! That includes managers as well.  It gets very bad when a moronic manager starts to promote others......Oh dear.  However, my girlfriend has also come to this conclusion and stated something which is a puzzle, far more puzzling than dark energy: Given how moronic these people are how on earth do they survive from life to normal age death?  There has to be some mysterious force at work ....can we tap it? Re: The trouble with hybrids: Hybrid electric vehicles not as green as they are pain (Score: 1) by Koen on Friday, February 08, 2008 @ 05:09:56 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://no.nl/tesla quote "They add that the misinformed craze for hybrid vehicles especially in the USA, and increasingly in Japan and Europe, and potentially in China, could represent a red light for more innovative technologies, such as viable fuel-cell cars that can use sustainably sourced fuels, such as hydrogen." The trouble with Jean-Jacques Chanaron:   he has no brains. A superb scientific report exists that compares energy-carrier hydrogen with energy carrier 'electricity'. Electricity technology is far superior to  /more-economical than hydrogen technology, with respect to conversion-, transport- and storage-costs.  Hydrogen is an anti-green idea in the first place, because it replaces a better and  more economical energy form: electricity. hydrogen fuel cells are an incredibly stupid idea. Since all cars just waste energy, no car can be labeled "green" , like plants or solar cells.  But everyone knows that hybrid cars can be more energy efficient, possibly enabling the society transition to environmental friendly energy sources, such as solar, wind, and hydro energy. The best and most economical car developments are:  better batteries/capacitors, better electric motors, better aerodynamics, introduction of electric recharge-stations, etc ... quote: "The complexity and high cost of the hybrid technology is also playing against itself," they say, "There is a huge strategic dilemma for the key players of the automotive industry where a mistake in technology decision-making might turn even a big player into a take-over candidate. The next five years will provide industry observers with more accurate trends and success or failure factors." Car producers can use technologies that reduce the complexity of hybrid cars greatly, compared with the conventional ICE car. For instance, the PML-Flighlink mini (and volvo recharge)  have the simplest of all possible hybrid cars solutions:  motor-wheels and an optional permanent-magnet type of electricity generator that is ultra-compact (for a range extender). The car manufacturers are only waiting for the electric battery manufacturers to scale-up the production next generation li-ion batteries. They don't have to decide on anything, it is only a matter of a few years. Jean-Jacques Chanaron clearly has the Prius in mind, but this shows he is not aware what is happening and what is in development right now. Secondly he believes hydrogen fuel cells are a better option than electric batteries and ultra-compact range-extending generators,  and this is all wrong. It is no wonder Chanaron is so confused about the future of hybrid cars.

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