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Any interest in a GWE research group?
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 @ 23:24:47 UTC by vlad
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Anonymous writes: GWE represents either the biggest SCAM of all time or a HUGE ENERGY BREAK THROUGH!
Everyone,
Genesis World Energy has claimed to have a technology that could revolutionize the world. Their technology is claimed to produce a lot of electricity from very little water. They even claim that they are ready to go into world wide production in about six months. If this is true, then in my opinion it is worth investigating. And if it is not, then it needs to be exposed as a hoax.
In my mind Genesis World Energy is the BOLDEST new energy company on the internet. They have not just made bold claims, but AMAZING CLAIMS.
If they are telling the truth GWE will be a company that will go down in history.
If they are lying then they will be one of the most remembered SCAMS in history.
I propose that currently we do not have enough information to know if GWE is telling the truth or if they are a scam of some sort. I honestly HOPE that they are telling the truth because their technology would represent a QUICK way to revolutionize the world, end most pollution, etc.
I think an investigative group needs to be formed of people interested in GWE. Both free energy researchers and those with skeptical minds would be allowed. However, in this group no one would be allowed to make an absolute statement like, "Genesis World Energy is a scam". Also, derogatory remarks about their company such as, "they are simply full of con-artists trying to steal money" would NOT be allowed.
The truth of the matter is that WE DON'T KNOW. We would post all evidence for and against GWE as a company and their technology. After the research project is completed then a general statement would be issued, plus an additional statement from each member of the group.
For a disclaimer against any legal action, we could state that anything stated or expressed on the website is simply an opinion and speculation and does not constitute a fact. And that others should do their own research before judging any company. This should be in BOLD at the BEGINNING of the site.
I think that GWE deserves some serious investigation. And NOT investigation that is one sided. We need to NOT only look for evidence against GWE, but also look for any evidence that supports the existance of their technology.
Hopefully, a FORMAL group working on such a project would encourage GWE to at least THROW US A BONE to show us that their company is for real, exactly who they represent, and that their technology is REAL!
It seems like if they are going to start mass producing the technology in SIX MONTHS that they would be willing to throw us a bone.
I am not a professional researcher, a great writer, or a great leader. But if others would be interested in such a project please feel free to post to this thread and state any interest you might have.
If someone else wanted to lead this project then that is fine too, because I just want to learn the truth about GWE!
Again, this group would not be a place for GWE to be slandered or bashed. TOO MUCH OF THAT HAS ALREADY OCCURED! Even if we find out that they are probably a scam it will only be stated that the evidence does not support the idea that they are a legitimate company.
Of course if we find out that GWE is legit or evidence supporting that (until units are actually on the market) we will simply state that we have found evidence that tends to support that GWE is for real.
There is a statement that says extrodinary claims require extrodinary proof.
I don't believe that fully, because in this case if we just could get some *ordinary* proof (a paper from a company that tested their device or something) then we could state that their technology could be for real.
So please, what is your opinion on this?
GWE represents either the biggest scam or the MOST WONDERFUL THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO HUMANITY in a long time.
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Great idea (Score: 1) by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, July 31, 2003 @ 13:04:52 UTC (User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | I'm happy to see this investigated. Since my position is on the record, I am also happy not to join your group. However, if your group turns up any facts that are interesting, I will be happy to borrow from it or link to it in whataver way seems appropriate. And by interesting, I don't mean facts that support my position, just facts that are interesting.
I am fairly certain that you will quickly run up against GWE's communications policy, which is that they wont answer any questions. But there is no reason to take no for an answer. Since GWE wont let you help build their position up, why not try instead to tear down my proof that GWE is s scam? You mention you would like to see ordinary paper from an independent lab saying they've tested it. I have offered $100 for ordinary paper just showing that there is a company named Genesis World Energy. Maybe your group could find that. Or you might get GWE to deny that they have any relationship with UFCT, find one of the "400 visionaries" in a bar in Spokane and buy him drinks till he talks, ... Have a good time.
All my published information is 2X sourced, but I also have plenty of single sourced leads to follow up on that I can't publish. I am happy to share some of these with serious researchers (and rule one of serious research is not to publish anything that's single sourced). |
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Re: Any interest in a GWE research group? (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Thursday, July 31, 2003 @ 16:49:11 UTC | Thanks for the offer of help.
But first I want to know if there are any others that are going to be willing to work together on this.
As a college student with what most would consider meager resources I cannot do this on my own. But if others would join I would want to take part and help as much as I can.
If you have any hints about how to get information from them please post them here, unless having them out in the open would make them not ineffective.
You may believe that GWE is a scam. And you know what? Your evidence in my opinion is a strong indication that GWE needs to be more fourth coming if possible. Because you raise questions that do indeed need to be answered.
You may turn out to be right, and if so I will admit that I was totally and absolutely wrong. But of course I am not claiming GWE is actually legitimate, so I would only be half wrong.
In my opinioin finding a working free energy (of course the GWE device is extracting energy from the molecular structure of water and NOT ZPE) is one of the most important things that MUST be done. Our civilization needs such an energy source to survive!
I guess that I just don't want to totally and completely rule out anyone claiming to have such a device until we know for an absolute FACT that they are a scam.
GWE has really motivated me. So if they just disapear one day and vanish you can believe that I am going to yell, raise devil (in a peaceful way of course) scream, hollar, and make sure that everyone remembers what they did.
Of course, I am HOPING (because in my opinion you don't have PROOF that GWE is a hoax) that they are legit.
And you know what? The Saudi Arabian you mentioned is just one student. And yes, Saudi Arabia would probably benefit from free energy in many ways! But the rich and powerful people and energy barrons of Saudi Arabia would not benefit! They would loose a LOT of money!
You see, free energy is something that would benefit the low and middle classes the most. The rich already have everything they want and need. So even though there are probably many low or middle class Saudi Arabians who would WANT this technology, the FEW people in control at higher levels would do whatever it takes to squash it!
I do appreciate the fact that you have offered to help! I really do! Even though we don't agree on a LOT of points, I am glad that you are willing to cooperate.
And you know what? If enough of us join together and pool our talents and resources we CAN get to the bottom of this.
One question: on the GWE website there are pictures of the actual Edison Device unit. Where would such a unit actually be stored? If we could find out where, then maybe we could find the location of one of their labs? If so, then we could either write a letter requesting information. |
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Re: Let it go (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, August 01, 2003 @ 09:14:39 UTC | I think the motivation here is your anticipation of getting a device. Rather then waiting for the device to hit the market your impatience is motivating you to start digging for more information. I have no idea if GWE is legit or not. All I know is that if a device hits the market, i'll buy it. If not (because its a scam or the powers that be prevented from hitting the market) then we will just have to wait for the next device. If you start putting your nose where it don't belong, then you could bring on legal action that would just further delay the device(s) from hitting the market. If its a scam then go after them with full force, how will you know its a scam? good question, and you can't say because it breaks the laws of thermodynamics like some some crack pots (Bob Parks, or whatever that armchair scientist name is) where that is their entire argument. Lichenstein highlited some interesting items but I think some of the questions were misunderstood. for instance when they said one million devices, I dont think they meant one million complete edison devices, I think they meant one million key component devices. GWE said they are not manufacturing edison devices, only key components. so if you have 5 stacks of fuel cells in a single device each stack containing 4 or 5 fuel cells thats a lot of fuel cells to assemble, and to be the sole manifacturer of the key components for the entire world then yes you would need to produce a hell of alot of those key components a day to support the third party manufacturers. There may be other questions like this that can be misinterpreted by Lichenstein but I couldn't answer them. Oh well, this is just my comment. |
- Go for it by chipotle_pickle on Friday, August 01, 2003 @ 22:32:13 UTC
- Re: Go for it by Anonymous on Saturday, August 02, 2003 @ 08:17:09 UTC
- Re: Go for it by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 @ 21:27:56 UTC
- Re: Let it go by Anonymous on Saturday, August 02, 2003 @ 08:14:45 UTC
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Re: Any interest in a GWE research group? (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, August 01, 2003 @ 12:09:03 UTC | In light of Greer, Bearden, & company's past claims the world would, by now, be enjoying the benefits of their "revolutionary" energy devices which are safe, cheap (if not free), and renewable/inexhaustible; I would advise a wait & see attitude. DO NOT INVEST. Yeah, if it were true we'd be missing out on another microsoft-like opportunity but then who needs all that money if energy is cheap or free, right? We'll just buy their product and use electricity with impunity. Its a win-win situation. |
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Re: Any interest in a GWE research group? (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, August 01, 2003 @ 23:31:45 UTC | In a previous posting, someone suggested forming a GWE research group to smoke out the potential hoax that GWE may be.
Here''s how you can start.
The following lawyer is working for GWE:
Law Offices of Charles Shaw, P.C.
Charles Shaw
[Personal Contact Info may not be posted without the person's consent - Admin]
One way might be to threaten him with malpractice if he can not produce evidence. He is a member of the Bar in New Jersey. So he would be a target for concerted effort.
This way, the "potential" hoaxers will not get away with it. Who knows, maybe this is a scam by Mr. Shaw to get just enough money so that he and perhaps another special someone can fly away to a resort for the rest of their lives....protected by international law.
Keep in mind that all they need is a few poor, desperate countries or companies that can''t afford building energy infrastructure. It would certainly be a well designed hoax if this were the case. Since it would be the first of its kind, they are almost sure to get a significant number of "suckers" . This scenario requires immediate action on the part of the citizens.
But again, we don''t know for sure if it is a hoax. So be cautious.
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