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Can This Black Box See Into the Future?
Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 @ 21:29:27 UTC by vlad
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DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side, that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.
...But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world events...
'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon...
Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the potential powers of the paranormal...
It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.
'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.
'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to support this theory...
For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.
'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.
We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'
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Re: Can This Black Box See Into the Future? (Score: 1)
by kurt9 on Monday, February 14, 2005 @ 11:49:22 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | It this device is for real, any reason why I or someone else cannot license to manufacture it and sell it to all of the financial traders all over the world? If I could make and sell this product, it would sell like hot cakes and make me incredibly rich.
Why aren't these people manufacturing this product and going after the above mentioned market? If this product is for real, that is the best market for it. |
Re: Can This Black Box See Into the Future? (Score: 1)
by mlmitton on Monday, February 14, 2005 @ 12:56:59 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Because they have no idea what's going on.
First, the effect happening prior to the event, "seeing into the future", is a rare event among rare events. If I remember right, the article only lists 9/11 and the Tsunami as having pre-cursor spikes.
Second, there's no way of knowing what a spike might mean. 9/11 certainly caused a drop in the market, and if one knew that ahead of time, one could make a lot of money. But it could have just as easily been a Tsunami in Asia, which wouldn't affect the U.S. stock market. There could also be major events which would raise the market (say, the announcement of a successful ZPE device).
So you'd have to know *why* the devices are becoming less random, and you'd have to know what the effect would be on the market. Without the answers to these questions, you could easily lose your shirt, and neither question is answerable at this time. |
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Re: Can This Black Box See Into the Future? (Score: 1)
by kurt9 on Monday, February 14, 2005 @ 15:56:48 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | All good points. However, my point was that if this is a real phenomenon, the immediate market applications are obvious and they don't seem to be going after it. Since they don't seem to have a commercial orientation about this stuff, they should have no problem publishing how to make these random number generator "eggs" so that eveyone else can make them and see if the effect is real.
I checked the "Global Consciousness" website and found it short on details of how to build one of these devices. If it is indeed a random number generator, these should be very simple to make (just cobble a few ICs together on a PCB). The website appears full of touchy-feely new age mumble-jumble, which raises my suspicion.
Perhaps our friends at Earthtech would be willing to build an "egg" and see iif they can observe the same effect shortly before the next terrorist attach or earthquake.
I still stand by my point: If psi phenomenon is real, it should be comercializable and the most immediate market for such "products/services" will be the financial securities trading. The people whi hype this phenomenon seem to be oblivious to this possibility. |
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Re: Can This Black Box See Into the Future? (Score: 1)
by mlmitton on Monday, February 14, 2005 @ 17:27:08 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I don't know how to make an egg, but when this showed up on Slashdot on Saturday, there was a poster in there who said he was involved with true random number generators, and it sounded like there are companies that sell these things. I imagine you can just buy them.
But, taking everything from the Global Consciousness project as fact, I still don't see how this makes any money? How would you use it to know what the market is going to do?
Also, even if it did allow you to see into the future for what the securities market would do, you could only make money on that fact if you were the only one who knew about this. If people generally know there's going to be a terrorist attack in 4 hours that will send the markets reeling, then the markets start reeling 4 hours *before* the terrorist attack takes place. You lose your window to make any money.
When people find out I'm an economist, they nearly always ask "What's the stock market going to do?" I answer, "I don't know, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't tell you." |
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Re: Can This Black Box See Into the Future? (Score: 1)
by kurt9 on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 @ 16:48:31 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.metatechnica.com | Sometime, when I have free time, I will have to look into availability of "egg" random number generators.
Your point is taken about all traders having access to the same tools. If all traders have "egg" devices that can predict up to, say 4 hours into the future, they would still all be equal as to comparative advantage. However, the equality of advantage certainly did not diminish the popularity of software technical modeling tools and the like. As soon as a new modeling software comes out, all of the traders snap it right up. I know a guy who started a software company in Tokyo in 1991 that made such software. He sold it for $40 million in 1999. If an "egg" device proved useful for trading, you can bet every trader in sight would want to buy one, even if they all had one and the comparative advantage between traders disappeared.
Even if the devices were complety worthless at make market predictions, they would still sell on novelty basis alone: "dude, I can see the future".
BTW, John Cramer, a physicist at U of W, has come up with a novel interpetation of quantum physics that does allow for short-period time travel (up to about an hour or so). His theory is called the transactional Interpetation of quantum physics. |
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Re: Can This Black Box See Into the Future? (Score: 1)
by Ian on Thursday, February 17, 2005 @ 12:50:40 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Firstly, it is important to note that the effect should be viewed as a scientific curiosity rather than a practical technology. Also, as far as I am aware the device is purely a REG or RNG. Finally, one possible theoretical model for the phenonmana can be provided by David Bohm's Holographic Theory. |
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