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Magnetic Power Modules and the Hybrid Electric Vehicle
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 @ 13:37:05 UTC by rob
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Overtone writes: We are getting a glimpse of the future in the increasing number of Toyota Prius cars that have been converted to plug-in systems with added batteries. These plug-in hybrid electric vehicles get more than 100 mpg. Some exceed 150 mpg.
City, town and up to 50 miles of freeway driving is done using electric power. These cars need refueling with gasoline only when driven long distances. Hybrids such as the Prius are popular. Moving toward a Magnetic Power Module replacing the need to plug-in can be viewed as a logical next step.
A NASA news release (3-30-05) states: "zero point energy", a potentially bottomless sea of invisible, ultra-powerful energy in the vacuum of space. Work involving the science and technology relating to this new energy source has surfaced in Germany, India, Japan, the U.K., Australia, and Russia, as well as the United States. Our company, Magnetic Power Incorporated (MPI), based in Sebastopol, California, is one of several developing technology that converts Zero Point Energy (ZPE) to electricity. NASA data suggests that ZPE can provide far more than 20 times the power available from solar energy, at any point on earth, 24/7. ZPE is an unlimited, renewable, largely unrecognized, power source.
A 1 kW (1,000 watt) generator, such as MPI is developing for homes and emergency power, could eliminate the need to plug-in a rechargeable hybrid. This would provide all the advantages without needing to plug-in to the utility grid. The result will be the first step toward driving automobiles, trucks and busses, without any need for gas or oil whatsoever.
One MPI objective, anticipated during 2006, is production of 1 kW Modules by our Strategic Partner. One of these Modules, installed in a hybrid car, would eliminate any need to plug-in, and allow up to 50 miles of driving at freeway speeds. The first example of this breakthrough MPI automotive power system could be on the road before the end of next year.
Mark Goldes
Chairman & CEO
© 2005 Magnetic Power Inc. All rights reserved.
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Re: Magnetic Power Modules and the Hybrid Electric Vehicle (Score: 1)
by Cold_Steel on Friday, August 26, 2005 @ 17:44:37 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | That would be a superb thing if it can happen. On a related note, I'm beginning to wonder if Mitsubishi may be working on similar technology after seeing this press release. Using electric motors in the wheels seems like a great idea, especially if you can power them with ZPE or perhaps cold fusion which I've read Mitsubishi and Toyota have researched, and perhaps are still researching. |
DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Friday, August 26, 2005 @ 20:47:01 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Someone was saying that yes the universe is full of zero point energy but it is in equilibrium, like hot air in a room, and unless there is some differential, some pressure from one side, you cannot extract useful work from it. Thoughts? |
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Re: DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by Cold_Steel on Sunday, August 28, 2005 @ 16:37:14 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | I would tend to disagree with the assumption. Because we no so little about ZPE, I think such speculation could be harmful to progress in the area. Sure, such ideas are true with regards to thermodynamics (where you need a heat differential o do work), or the concept of "potential" energy (which I'm beginning to seriously question, because it really doesn't make sense to me anymore). At the moment, I'm not even convinced that conservation of energy is a real universal constraint. I've come up with a hypothetical situation that is really bothering me, and because of that, I'm not convinced it's true. |
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Re: DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by seanu on Monday, August 29, 2005 @ 03:07:29 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Please do tell! |
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Re: DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by Cold_Steel on Monday, August 29, 2005 @ 05:18:14 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Alright, here’s a hypothetical situation that’s getting to me. Let’s say you have a 1kg brick sitting on the ground. If I lift the brick straight up 1 meter, we say it gains some potential energy x relative to the Earth. When I let it go, it transfers all (assuming a vacuum with no friction) of that potential energy into kinetic energy and thus we hold to conservation of energy.
The problem I have, however, is with the concept of potential energy. Where does the Earth get the “energy” to pull the brick back down? No text book ever really addresses that, it just says it comes from the potential energy.
Okay, now for the hypothetical situation. Let’s say I’ve invented a teleporter that uses an infinitesimal amount of energy. Now, we have a brick sitting on the ground again, but this time, instead of lifting the brick, we’re going to use our teleporter to teleport it instantaneously up 1 meter. By teleporting it directly, there’s no path integral and thus no work is being done on the brick, so, the brick can’t be gaining any potential energy, right? So, by conservation of energy, the brick is 1 meter up off the Earth and has no more potential energy than it did sitting on the ground? Its potential energy must still be 0. So, does that mean the brick will just hang in the air? Hmm. I don’t think so. If that were the case, then the universe would have to “remember” the state of every single atom and its potential energy relative to everything. Does that make any sense? You could have two identical bricks 1 meter off the ground, but one would have a different potential energy than the other, one being x, and one being zero? If you let them both go, only one will fall to the ground?
No, instead, I think that if you teleport that brick up 1 meter, that brick will fall straight back down just like a brick lifted 1 meter. Gravity is a force, not an energy supplier. Gravity will act between any two masses. It doesn’t care about conservation of energy. So, if that brick is teleported up at a cost of essentially 0 joules (to the brick-Earth system at least), but gravity pulls it back down giving it a total kinetic energy of x, we’ve violated the conservation of energy.
The reason this might be is that energy isn’t a real universal thing. It’s a scientific abstraction. Forces are what matter, and forces don’t care about energy or its conservation. A 1 kg brick 1 meter of the ground will always have the same force acting on it, no matter how the brick gets there or whether or not energy was conserved.
With ZPE, we may be talking about an “energy” that exists without a differential at 0 k? Maybe. Things like the nuclear force and gravity have constant magnitude at any given point with respect to time, right? What if ZPE is a force that’s magnitude and force vector oscillate with time? I really don’t know enough about the subject, but if you had some sort of oscillating or vibrating force then you may be able to tap into without an energy differential as with gravity and other forces.
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Re: DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by Gewis on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 @ 23:10:12 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Potential means just that: potential. At a meter above the ground, there is a potential, the possibility that the force of gravity acting on it will give it x joules of energy. What we call zero isn't important here... only differences matter. A brick two meters off the ground compared to a brick one meter off the ground can reliably said to have x amount more potential energy than the lower brick. However, it's always comparative. If there's a possibility (that's exactly what potential means) the brick could have even more kinetic energy by falling further (say it's held over a 1 meter deep pit), then it might be useful to say it has x much more potential than it used to. So it's not entirely arbitrary, as it's dependent on configuration.
However, you can consistently say that the potential energy of a brick, mass*gravitational.acceleration*height will turn into a certain amount of kinetic energy. If a brick falls one meter at sea level in vacuum environment, it will always hit the ground with the same kinetic energy. If you drop it from two meters, it will have twice the kinetic energy when it hits the ground. All of this is obvious, right?
The really cool part about it is that potential energy is real. Nuclear potential, electrical potential, gravitational potential... it all is really there. If you have two identical stationary objects of the same mass at the same height, and then you raise one of those objects higher up, it will gain mass. E=mc^2 applies even in gravitational potential. Nuclear reactions work because nucleons are able to move to a position of lower potential energy. In D + D -> He4 + 2 gamma (2.2 MeV?), the nucleons in the helium end with a lower average potential energy than when they had in the deuterium, and the difference between their starting and ending potential energies is equal to the mass lost via the gamma rays. All energy is the same way, even gravitational potential.
Anyway, if the ZPE is a true baseline, then it's going to be hard (read impossible) to get it to move from a higher potential to a lower, because it's all uniform. Except, of course, if spacetime isn't flat. Or if ZPE interactions with charged particles are the origin of spacetime curvature, or any number of different very exciting possibilities. Point is, you still have to have an energy differential to extract anything out of it. All the schemes that folks have come up with for using ZPE have relied on somehow creating a perturbation via magnetics or otherwise that cause a flow, a movement from higher to lower potential. |
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Re: DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by seanu on Thursday, September 01, 2005 @ 04:03:03 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Interesting Cold_Steel, u point out that potential energy is merely a useful arbitrary concept for the amount of energy that could be utilised by a system in a circumstance. There is no such thing as "potential energy", this potential just represents the possibility of some energy expenditure.
I thought of an extension to ur analogy. Take a couple of your 1kg bricks. One brick is 10 meters above the ground, the other on the surface of Mars. Which has the greater potential energy? The Mars brick is stuck on Mars, so that has none (or negative with repect to the former). So the answer must be the first brick, because it actually has a possibilty of moving. |
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Re: DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by Cold_Steel on Thursday, September 01, 2005 @ 09:04:05 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Can you give me a link to something that describes how E=mc^2 applies to gravitational potential?
I was under the impression that the total potential energy of something would require mc^2 as well as the gravitational potential seperately. I'd like to read up on this effect.
Now, here's a crazy off the wall hypothetical question. I don't know much about this stuff, but for the sake of an interesting "what if"... Do nuclear reactions work because nucleons move to a lower potential energy, or do they work because a nucleon moves in a certain way in general. How about electrons? Is electromagnetic radiation caused by an electron moving to a lower potential energy, or is it perhaps caused by an electron moving linearly and stopping, thus causing an electromagnetic "ripple" in space time? What if the strong nuclear force is actually a curvature in an alternate dimension of space time like gravity? I know it's crazy, but it's interesting to think about. I certainly don't have the science or math background to figure stuff like this out unfortunately. |
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Re: DOES ZPE NEED A DIFFERENTIAL TO WORK? (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Friday, September 02, 2005 @ 12:36:15 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Fascinating points of view, Gewis, and I would like to know more about the zero point energy/radiation and how it relates to space and time, etc.
Explain what difference it makes as to whether space is flat, or, curved (or curvable)? I recall Tesla disagreeing with Einstein about space being curved, Tesla seemed to believe that space is flat, because of something like cause and effect, ie, if space were to start to curve, motion from elsewhere would straighten it out again; however, I don't know the details of his full views regarding this.
Anyhow, Thomas Bearden and others discuss scalar electromagnetics, and how we can make "Space time curvature engines" and pressure waves/stress waves in the virtual particle flux/space time structure. What are your thoughts on this fascinating stuff? Such as David Bohm's Quantum Potential waves/Pilot waves.
Also: Do you think it is possible, in theory, to somehow make alloys or material structures that are far stronger and more durable than normal atomic matter allows, by direct manipulation, somehow, of ZPE/Space fabric/aether?
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Re: Magnetic Power Modules and the Hybrid Electric Vehicle (Score: 1)
by sparks35 on Friday, August 26, 2005 @ 23:45:38 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Mr. Mark Goldes
Man...Just produce the 1 kw generator...
You need not put it in a car and talk about 50 miles
of driving....Just make the 1 kw generator...and youv'e done it...You will have Freed the World.
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Re: Magnetic Power Modules and the Hybrid Electric Vehicle (Score: 1)
by malc on Monday, August 29, 2005 @ 00:39:19 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley | | I'm curious why would a 1kw ZPE module (sounds like the things on Stargate Atlantis) only work for 50 miles ? Secondly you need at least 80kw peak power to move a medium sized car. Unless we are expected to believe that the converted car will have a horspower rating of 0.75 (!). |
Re: 50 Miles is Likely to be Exceeded... (Score: 1)
by Overtone on Monday, August 29, 2005 @ 07:53:52 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.magneticpowerinc.com | Plug-in hybrids presently use a Lithium-ion battery pack that is recharged by a 1 kW charger connected overnight to the grid. The typical driving range on the 1 kW recharge is about 50 miles maximum.
The gasoline engine still supplies power for long freeway trips.
Magnetic Power Modules(tm) rated at 1 kW will basically simply replace the overnight charger. Since they continue to finction 24/7 the actual range will probably be better than the plug-in recharge can provide.
The peak power is supplied by the battery pack. |
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