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Magnetic energy? Perhaps
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 14:06:17 UTC by rob

Investors Overtone writes: San Francisco Chronicle
- David Lazarus
Wednesday, September 7, 2005

The nation's energy industry is struggling to recover from Hurricane Katrina. Gas prices are soaring as a result of the catastrophic storm. America's reliance on overseas oil increases every year.

And from his office in the North Bay city of Sebastopol, Mark Goldes envisions a day -- perhaps not so far off -- when none of this will be a problem.

Goldes, 73, is chief executive of a small company called Magnetic Power Inc., which has spent years researching ways to, yes, generate power using magnets.

Within a few months, he says, he might just have a breakthrough to report that could revolutionize where people get fuel.

"We're not yet ready to talk about what's happening in our lab because, honestly, we don't know what's happening," Goldes told me. "All we know is that we're seeing more energy output than input.

"We're still having trouble making it repeatable, but we think that's more an engineering problem than a scientific problem," he said.

Does Goldes realize what's he's saying -- that he's perhaps discovered a clean, inexhaustible energy source?

"That's exactly what it appears to be," he answered.

What Goldes believes he's done is produce power from what physicists call zero-point energy. In simple terms, zero-point energy results from the infinitesimal motion of molecules even when seemingly at rest.

OK, let's throw a whole bunch of caveats at this. First of all, I've spoken with physicists at some of the country's most prestigious institutions, and not one said that what Goldes claims to have accomplished is doable.

Theoretically possible, they acknowledged. But not doable.

"Zero-point energy is so tiny that nobody can feel it," said Hossein Sadeghpour, a physicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. "But when you get to the realm of quantum mechanics, it exists.

"The question is, how do you harness it? I have not seen any meaningful theory or demonstration of that. It's not impossible, but I don't know how you would do it."

Moreover, it's all well and good to make stupendous scientific claims. But until those claims are verified by other scientists, that's all they are.

Remember cold fusion?

"You're right to be skeptical," Goldes responded. "The only way anyone is going to believe this is if they can see it with their own eyes, and we don't yet have working models that are repeatable."

But he said he expects to have something that another lab can inspect and replicate by the end of the year.

On top of that, Goldes said he'll have a prototype next year for a small generator using his magnetic technology that can produce enough power to run kitchen appliances.

Normally, I dismiss such pie-in-the-sky pronouncements (and I receive more than my share). During the California energy crisis, I was contacted repeatedly by some guy who said he'd invented a car engine that runs on ordinary water.

I'm still waiting for it to hit the market.

But Goldes isn't so easy to shrug off. That's because he's also come up with technology called the UltraConductor, which purports to be capable of conducting electricity at room temperature with no resistance, thus vastly improving fuel efficiency.

The research was funded in part by the Department of Defense, which invested $600,000 in the project. The technology also has been replicated elsewhere.

Matt Aldissi, who runs a Florida research firm called Fractal Systems, reproduced Goldes' UltraConductor as part of work on conductivity he was performing for the U.S. Air Force.

He told me that he visited Goldes' Sebastopol lab a few years ago and was impressed by what he saw.

"Is this guy legit? Yes," Aldissi said. "The work he claims to have done, he's done it."

That is, the work on conductivity. Energy from magnets? "I don't know anything about that," Aldissi said.

The magnets are part of creating what's known in physics as the "Casimir effect," in which seemingly motionless molecules are in fact moving around and expending energy.

"For many years the Casimir effect was little more than a theoretical curiosity," says PhysicsWeb, the online arm of Physics World magazine. "But interest in the phenomenon has blossomed in recent years."

Ori Ganor, an associate professor of physics at UC Berkeley, said the Casimir effect makes it theoretically possible to capture power from zero-point energy.

"Physics doesn't rule this out," he said. "But I don't see how it is commercially viable."

Stanley Wojcicki, a Stanford physics professor, said it may be possible to generate small amounts of power from zero-point energy, but not in any sustainable way.

Yet he noted that astonishing breakthroughs can come from unlikely sources.

"Einstein worked in a patent office," Wojcicki observed. "All sorts of people can have brilliant ideas."

Goldes said he's reluctant to provide details of his zero-point-energy technology until he's got a better handle on how it does what he says it does.

"We're seeing energy produced in a way that has to have a source," he said. "The only explanation we see is zero-point energy. There could be another, but we don't see what it could be."

A handful of other companies worldwide are believed also to be pursuing zero-point energy via magnetic systems. One of them, InterStellar Technologies, is run by a former scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena.

According to Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine, the Pentagon and at least two large aerospace companies are actively researching zero-point energy as a means of propulsion.

"If their efforts pay off," the magazine reported last year, "ZPE-driven power plants might enable Mach 4 fighters, quiet 1,200-seat hypersonic airliners that fly at 100-mile altitudes as far as 12,000 miles in about 70 minutes and 12.6-hour trips to the moon."

Is it a pipe dream? Goldes doesn't think so.

"You can't build a perpetual-motion machine," he said. "But this is real."

My inclination is to suspect that cheap, limitless energy is probably a crock. Goldes might sincerely buy into this stuff, but there's undoubtedly another explanation for what he claims to have achieved in his lab.

Then again, what if he's right?


 
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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 14:32:57 UTC
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These physicists are stupid and very closed-minded, which isn't suprising, considering it's the current conditioning of most of the scientific community. Zero Point Energy is NOT miniscule; in fact, it has been calculated to possess 100 times more energy than the nuclear reactions within our own sun. These physicists are going to be extremely embarassed when they're proven wrong, which isn't too far off from now.

ZPE is the driving force of the universe; it is what CREATES gravity and inertia. With this in mind, how could ZPE even be considered miniscule in terms of energy output? Unless, of course, these so called scientists are deliberately spreading disinformation - which is very likely in this case.

Zero Point Energy is the holy grail of ALL energy sources, and it, along with Nanotechnology, will be the driving forces which eliminate all forms of government, the entire money system, and all forms of religion virtually overnight.



Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 17:25:04 UTC
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Kadamose, you are a genius, in my opinion, and I agree with everything you said about zero point energy and nanotechnology, except for the claim that it will obsolete peoples' faith. That has nothing to do with manipulation of matter and energy, and people will keep that. Meanwhile, however, the combination of Molecular Manufacturing replicators, and, zero point power modules, and offshoots such as "Aether/ZPE Matter Particle Assemblers" (IMAGINE A REPLICATOR THAT SYNTHESIZES NEW FORMS OF PARTICLES!), the current system will be toppled over and something else will have to replace it.



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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 17:26:52 UTC
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By the way, Kadamose, I have a question for you. Let's say all of this comes to be, or even a fraction of it: We get nano assemblers, and zero point radiation/energy modules, and our world is transformed. What will you personally do with such new opportunities? Will you choose to live in a sky piercing diamondoid/titanium tower city, leave Earth for parts of the universe heretefore unknown, or, what? Just wondering :)



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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 19:25:49 UTC
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I will live out my life, in solitude, exploring the universe, and unlocking its secrets. I will not stay on this hellhole of a planet, even if it is transformed into a paradise in the end.

Once all of the secrets of the universe are uncovered, 'we', and I emphasize we, will be able to create new world's/galaxies/dimensions the way we see fit. This is the future I desire.




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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 19:20:01 UTC
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Zero Point Energy WILL destroy all religion because it is the Rosetta Stone to a unified theory of everything. Basically, it will prove that everything in the universe is connected and we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.

In other words, 'Ye are Gods'.



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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Sigma on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 20:43:44 UTC
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Hmmm... exactly what I was thinking... LOL! We are one entity... we are god!


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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Saturday, September 10, 2005 @ 07:19:23 UTC
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Here is another perspective on this whole issue, guys:

Rather than saying we are all God, and rather than looking at the zero point radiation energy/vacuum flux/aether/ether/neutrino flux sea/Scalar Energy (etc) as God, instead, picture it this way:

God Himself exists outside of space, outside of time, outside of the created universe. There was a point, before what we call time, in which all there was, was God, and NO THING = nothing. Not a zero point vacuum flux, but, nothing at all.

And then God, by divine fiat, by divine call and power, instantly created the ether, the space/time universe, with all of its in folded dimensions and places, and spaces, and its order.

Then, once the quantum ether plenum was there, was made, He went forth and made/built/constructed/precipitated matter from it, the matter of particles, atoms, the stars, and the rest, and made the worlds, the people, the plants, animals, etc.

Think about it, this makes much sense, actually.

1 We know that even if raw energy is present, in order to do anything of consequence, it MUST have order behind it, it must have the ability to work order into something. Order does not just pop into existence from, well, nothing. You can have millions of mega watts of solar energy shining down on a work yard full of steel I beams and girders and blocks of stone all day, but, if you do not have the workers and their tools to put those steel girders and stone blocks together, no building will ever be erected. Same basic principle.

Even if the whole universe is permeated with the ether field, which it is, ofcourse, the INFORMATION must come from somewhere. I contend that God Himself is The Creator of the ether, and, He uses the ether as some form of instantaneous universal control network.

What is also fascinating is that there is a Biblical president for this. If you read certain Bible verses (and even Non Biblical books from other religions) you can see a picture form of the ether which the Bible calls the "firmament". In Isaiah it says God will at the end of time "Roll up the heavens like a scroll": Tell me that isn't space time curvature! :) And among the first thing God made was LIGHT "Let there be light": Could that light be the ZPE? :)



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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Saturday, September 10, 2005 @ 09:15:26 UTC
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You really should read David Icke's material...specifically:

-And The Truth Shall Set You Free
-The Biggest Secret
-Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion

He basically shows how the universe and everything in it was created through sound.

'In the beginning was the word, and the word was sound'

In his Freedom Road presentation (part 3), he shows experiments which use sound to create shapes and forms. If you would like to see a clip of the presentation, I'll be more than happy to upload it. Let me know.


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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by nanotech on Saturday, September 10, 2005 @ 17:58:36 UTC
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Yes I would like to see that. I am very interested in the concept of how sound can interact with matter and such. I am sure you read of the work of John Worrell Keely? He supposedly used controlled sound to manipulate the quantum aether and particles.



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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Saturday, September 10, 2005 @ 20:45:50 UTC
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Here you go:

http://myweb.cableone.net/bgl50/freedom_road3.avi

Please let me know what you think.



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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Kadamose on Saturday, September 10, 2005 @ 20:49:25 UTC
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Freedom Road (part 3) Clip

(Right-Click and choose Save Target As)


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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Guitarfox on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 18:29:20 UTC
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Hi,

I wouldn't jump to conclusion right away and call these scientists stupid.. even though it does seem to be impossible for ZPE to produce energy via magnetism in this case, but who would think that smacking one proton to a molecule could generate a huge amount of energy, if we only had Einstein's equation?

and I also have to agree with you that for all we know, this whole thing could be a hoax, a fantasy of someone's wildest dream. But until proven guilty, it is still innocent... how about that? let's all keep an open-mind in the mean time...

(Hope I didn't miss your point...:p)


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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by bender772 on Thursday, September 08, 2005 @ 00:53:04 UTC
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I agree that recognition of the ZPE is likely to trigger a revolution in our understanding of the human body and mind. The ZPE is likely to be the Chi/Prana/Orgone/.. that mediates psychic ability, powers alternative healing modalities and constitutes the "energy bodies" that various occult traditions have always maintained exist.

Failure of mainstream science to recognize the existence of a universal energy field is the reason why these things are still widely considered new age nonsense. The free energy revolution is going to change that, and thus invalidate basically all of conventional religion. I doubt, though, that it will happen overnight. Religious people can be amazingly fact resistant.


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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by sparks35 on Monday, September 12, 2005 @ 23:33:28 UTC
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bender777,

Chill out a bit...We are talking about ENERGY here.
You know....the stuff that powers your computer...and your car...and your house....
Why the heck talk about RELIGION here...???

The failure of mainstream science...??????...
.......might as well call "the failure"....

..."HEY, I have a family and a morgage, and my trusted "baby-boomer" investment portfolio. Don't talk to me about RADICAL energy stuff.".....

Guess I need to "tangent out" a bit too....

The RICH mainstream a-holes don't give a damn about ZPenergy...they would rather have a protracted oil war so they can pad their portfolios with Haliburton, and the like, stocks. As long as their daughters get that $40,000 wedding that has been, for so long, planned for. And all that other stupid CR-P.




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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Cold_Steel on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 16:48:30 UTC
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Uh huh. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, no one has produced any "over-unity" device. All it takes is one device, one 1kw power generator and that's it. Done. That's proof. Once it's validated by a reputable independent source, it's over. You've made it. You're done. Until that point, you really don't have anything. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, or at least some proof.



Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Sigma on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 17:29:31 UTC
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I know what I am going to get.... a hovercar!



Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by Luke on Thursday, January 06, 2011 @ 16:44:54 UTC
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I think I might get one aswell

good read

My story about magnetic energy



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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 17:39:07 UTC
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Magnetism is an energy carrier, NOT an energy source. As deceptive as the propeties of magnetism are, there are complex mechanisms that disallow energy extraction.

Anyone investing in magnetic power devices would do well to invest in other types of alternative energy instead.



Re: Magnetic energy - Can be Extracted! (Score: 1)
by Overtone on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 18:29:25 UTC
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ZPE can be extracted magnetically. Nobel physicist Werner Heisenberg is quoted as stating that we “could utilize magnetism as an energy source”.

Hans Coler, a German inventor supported by Hitler’s Navy, according to a long since declassified British Intelligence Report that has been posted on the web, succeeded in building a working 6 kilowatt, solid-state, magnetic "space energy receiver”. This remarkable generator was destroyed by an Allied bomb in 1945. At the time, there was no comprehension as to the source of the energy. Coler wrote: “These fundamental researches…have made the first real and large breach in the citadel of present scientific belief.”

Only ZPE conversion by means of magnetic materials offers the potential of a near-term new energy alternative that can replace all fossil fuels as well as uranium.

Several systems, both solid-state and rotary, have this potential. Development is happening world-wide.

By the end of 2006, I predict the proof will be plentiful.


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Re: Magnetic energy - Can be Extracted! (Score: 1)
by ElectroDynaCat on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 20:34:46 UTC
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I am not going to argue science with you, if you can do it, go for it. The conventional wisdom ( which is sometimes wrong) says it won't work.

Heisenberg was talking about quantum level magnetic energy, not the large lumpy kind this group is working with.


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Re: Quantum Level Extraction is What we Work With! (Score: 1)
by Overtone on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 @ 22:45:11 UTC
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Our Magnetic Power Modules(tm) are devices designed to extract ZPE at the quantum level.

Once Demonstration Devices become available it will become easier to discuss the various theories of operation.

The ceramic superconductors, which all agree superconduct, had more than 50 theories competing to explain their operation at one time. The number has dropped, but there is still no consensus.

Our concrete concern is practical devices, and we are well on the way to commercialization.

The goal is to get a definitive unit to EarthTech, Hal Puthoff's shop, asap. A handful of additional Accredited Angel investors could greatly accelerate the process.


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Re: Magnetic energy? Perhaps (Score: 1)
by xela26 on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 @ 05:53:31 UTC
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I would prefer a hovering chair. Just like Professor X in X-men

NJ solar grid [www.gather.com]



 

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