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Steorn - energetically cloning Agatha
Posted on Monday, December 11, 2006 @ 23:10:40 UTC by vlad
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Posted by Rupert Goodwins on zdnet.co.uk : You may remember that a while back, I wrote up the intriguing claims of Steorn, a Dublin company which says it has invented a device that produced more energy than it consumed. I was, and am, highly sceptical about all such claims without positive third party proof. There has been none.
Now here's a fascinating email from an anonymous reader. They say:
"I’m directing this message to you because in the past you have written an article on the subject of the Irish tech company Steorn who claim to have discovered ´free energy [...] Many of the people who were at a recent party hosted by Steorn in Dublin, supposedly forum members and Steorn employees, seem to resemble either a crime fiction writers or hypnotherapists!"
Well! Normally, anonymous suggestions get the bums' rush - but since the appropiate file is available from www.padd.nl I decided to go and look for myself.
It's a bit of a pain to download, because it's festooned with popups from the free hosting service used to serve the 4.5MB file, but if you're interested here are just some of the highlights, edited badly by yours truly. These are about a quarter of the examples in the file; some I've not put in are better, others are barely plausible with your eyes screwed up and the bottle empty:...
Read the whole post here: Rupert Goodwins
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Re: Steorn - energetically cloning Agatha (Score: 1)
by malc on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 @ 01:02:46 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mripley | Steorn may or may not be genuine, I'm not saying either. However why should anyone anywhere with anything new have to prove it on the skeptics own terms? Why can't an inventor/developer prove it on their terms using a process they believe can't be hijacked. Let's face reality here. If (big if getting smaller though!) it is genuine, then there are an awful lot of rich people, companies and governments who will lose TRILLIONS. With that kind of money at stake Steorn are in a very dangerous situation. With that kind of money you can't trust anybody, even supposed journalists like Rupert Goodwins.
I do find it odd that he expects us to not believe Steorn who have done exactly everything they said they would ie. follow a process of independant verification not dictated to them by skeptics. NB those skeptics may be oil company representatives who knows? Whereas Mr Goodwins expects us to believe that Steorn is a scam based on an anonymous posting of some uncertified photos dressed up as a lookalike competition with some extortion thrown in for good measure! DUH!
Let's wait and see what happens after the jury process shall we? Of course if Steorn is genuine then the oil company funded skeptics will get ever more vocal and ever more desperate to throw mud as this process nears completion. You have to admit that the line taken by Steorn is clever in that it prevents their invention being buried under oil company money and the forum publicity prevents any members of Steorn from having a mysterious car accident!
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Re: Re: Steorn - energetically cloning Agatha (Score: 1)
by modernsteam on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 @ 14:09:25 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Re: "oil company funded skeptics"
Despite my reasoned belief that Free Energy is extremely probable from
an engineering physics perspective, taking Quantum Electrodynamics into
account, I don't believe that highly verbal skeptics such as
Eric Krieg, Robert Park, "Illuminaughty" and "Pennies Everywhere" are
necessarily oil-company funded. I think we have true believers on the
conventional side who find their old-fashioned science paradigm
under challenge by those who have good hard evidence against it, if not
absolute proof of over-unity. Such skeptics, including many with a
half-baked "science" education (not Krieg, though), have never
argued the case against Steorn or MPI scientifically, but have instead,
trashed the character of the F-E claimants or their claimed technology,
with words such as "bogus", "fraudster" or "scheming fraud",
"charlatan", "crackpot", and "crank", to name but a few. Like the
oil-company (mostly Exxon) skeptics, the true believers will get ever
more vehement in their ridicule and condemnation of F-E efforts,
because their world is being upset, and their "control-freak"
functionalities may be rendered ineffective if F-E devices are
distributed first to those who contribute most to the world's economy,
the ones who deserve a real break, those whom we've respectfully called
the "workin' stiffs". The rest of us would get those F-E benefits in
due course.
In general, Malc, you've said it right, and I agree.
HAl Ade.
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Re: Re: Re: Steorn - energetically cloning Agatha (Score: 1)
by illuminaughty on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 @ 16:58:43 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | For the record, I am not a skeptic of free energy, zero point energy, or other alternative energy sources. I do believe that frauds exist in this field and that they are more destructive to the cause than paid skeptics or any of the other tired excuses.
And, no, I am not funded by any oil companies.
Would you happen to know how much they're paying, by the way? Just curious. |
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Re: Re: Steorn - energetically cloning Agatha (Score: 1)
by modernsteam on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 @ 14:42:10 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I neglected to mention an important point about "an awful lot of rich
people, companies and governments ... [losing] TRILLIONS". Rich
people might, and companies will, but governments get their funds from
taxes, and they need not lose such funding. As I see it, if
governments tax energy usage, they should be doing so not only for the
benefit of their countries as entities separate from their people, but
also to assist those in their countries who need help. Currently, they
tax gasoline (petrol) and other material forms of energy, as well as
electricity sold off the grid. What they would later lose in material
energy and electricity sales taxes could be made up for by
odometer-based taxes, and putting meters on F-E generators, as long as
it is fair to the consumer and tax-payer, assuming, of course,
that governments should tax (a very moot point in the opinion of some!)
Despite my arguments above, I don't really like electricity and heating
fuel taxes, since I see those energy types as necessities of life. When
F-E becomes available, fossil fuels for heating could rightly be taxed
again.
Hal Ade
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Re: Steorn (Score: 1)
by Overtone on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 @ 09:46:12 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.magneticpowerinc.com | Let me say Amen to the post above by malc.
Steorn has stated they are working with one or more
licensees/manufacturers to have products in the market at the conclusion
of the jury process. Another brilliant move, in my opinion.
Our own lab analysis suggests their work is genuine. Not because
we have any details beyond those publicly available, but due to the
fact that our parallel development indicates they are telling the truth.
I suspect that at the conclusion of the jury
process the conclusion will be that their work, like our own, involves
the conversion of Zero Point Energy. During the last year, our
engineers stated they prefer the term Virtual Photon Flux, when magnetic systems
are involved, as ZPE is usually only identified with the Casimir
force.
Incidently four U.S. Patents have now been issued to Dr. Fabrizio
Pinto, the former JPL scientist, who left to form a firm converting the
Casimir force.
Steorn expects the jury will release the results of Phase One at the end of March, that
will confirm they have achieved machines that perform as claimed.
The two later stages of the eight month jury process they list on their website are likely to provide icing on the
cake.
As most readers are aware, we are developing
solid-state, as well as rotary, devices that convert ZPE. If we
can accelerate our program, we hope to replace the battery in a prototype laptop
next year. With an increased effort we see the potential to
remove the need for a plug, from a prototype plug-in hybrid, by
substituting a couple of 1 kW solid-state generators, by the end of
2007. That would herald the end of the need for fossil and
uranium fuels.
Mark
Mark Goldes
Magnetic Power Inc.
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