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GWE news
Posted on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 02:37:06 UTC by vlad
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Despite being almost totally ignored by the mainstream media or mostly unfavorable comments by those asked to comment about the GWE/WEM claims, they’re still ticking like the Energizer Bunny of the new-energy revolution movement. “Alea Iacta Est” (the dice are thrown), the NDAs are in the mail for signing (by the successful license applicants) … soon we’ll see who are the winners and who are the losers…
"Genesis World Energy and World Energy Management extend our gratitude for your patience. We received an enormous worldwide response and the level of excitement generated due to this innovative opportunity has been overwhelming.
Our team has carefully reviewed every preliminary proposal submitted. Your comments regarding your vision and desire to make this a better world have made it easier to finalize our selections.
We have attached a PDF file of our non-disclosure agreement. Please print this form and read the information carefully. This agreement requires your signature, notarization and a current copy of your photo identification. After completing all of the necessary information, please mail the documentation by May 2, 2003 to:
World Energy Management, LLC
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As soon as we receive your non-disclosure agreement, we will contact you regarding the next phase.
Warmest regards,
World Energy Management"
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Re: GWE news (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 09:02:57 UTC | I heard that Nexus magazine had an article on GWE. Has anyone seen this article? I was trying to order a back issue I think its Volumn 10 Issue 2 but ordering from the web site gives me an error. I do find it very bizzare that main stream media has not covered this device. Invastigative or otherwise. This could make a monumental impact on everything that is energy and yet not a single mention. Well maybe the local NBC news channel in Boise, Idaho but thats it. Not CNN, bloomberg, or any of the news giants. Maybe the oil tycoons are controlling the media too. Its far fetched but anything can happen when it comes to money and power.
What does happen after the NDA's are signed, Do the new licensees get the blueprints and independant lab tests and test devices? I assume there is a period after the May 2nd deadline for licensees to verify the claims of GWE. That should be the moment of truth for GWE. Thats when the overall question will get answered, "Is GWE a scam or not?" |
Re: GWE news (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 13:51:09 UTC | I hope their device is better than their grammar. The first line of their news release leaves out the word "BEING" ignored...
I can see why they are being ignored. |
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grammar (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 14:05:37 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | I think that's Vlad's bad grammar, not GWE. If you want a GWE grammar error, just select random sentances from their page and run google searches on them. How about:
"Preliminary Proposal Submittal Deadlines"
Google answers: Did you mean: " Preliminary Proposal Submission Deadlines"
And shows two links to gwe. |
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Re: grammar (Score: 1)
by Rocketjet on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 14:36:29 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Why the digression into grammar?
In fact "Preliminary Proposal" may be a "descriptor" for the noun "Submission" which is further qualified as to meaning by the noun "Deadlines". Simply put it is in fact understandable which is more than can be said for much of what is written by most technology companies.
Most people are incapable of using correct English grammar. The use of English varies from nation to nation, is fluid and changeable over time, and has been ruined through academically encrustment by institutional morons more intereted in form rather than function which is the correct focus on the use of language.
In short the term "Preliminary Proposal Submittal Deadlines" works as it is understood and is therefore functional.
The correct question as to GWE in the vernacular is simple --
Does the shit work?
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Re: grammar (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 14:39:57 UTC | "Does the shit work?"
LOL - now that's a grammatically correct English sentence :)
I think we'll find out soon enough if GWE - or whoever they are - are yankin our crank...
-Ryan
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Re: grammar (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 14:45:02 UTC | I like this work that Vlad posted "Dices"
Now thats funny |
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Re: GWE news (Score: 1)
by vlad on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 17:57:52 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Sorry about the grammar; I learned English in my late thirties...I don't mind people correcting me because I try to learn from it and become better (although I know I'm too old now to get rid of the habit of thinking in my first language). Correction done.
I read the Nexus article on GWE and it is nothing new; basically it is an extract from GWE site with no comments from the editor.
To answer your last paragraph, here is the "Final Steps" chapter from the GWE site:
"1. Potential licensees will be required to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
2. You will be provided with a copy of the proposed licensing agreement.
Related to the manufacture and validation of the technology you will be provided with:
a) Basic product specifications that include possible energy output configurations, general manufacturing, and assembly process information that may be used to establish costing information.
b) Independent laboratory test results related to the energy outputs of operating gCells, eCells and standard configuration Edison Devices.
c) The ability to view operating devices supplying energy to homes and businesses on a long-term basis.
d) The ability to have your own experts review the operation of standard configuration Edison Devices.
4. Upon your acceptance of the terms of the license agreement and your execution of the financing note related to the license fee, you will be provided with operating Edison Devices, which represent the configurations of the models you wish to market. The operating Edison Devices you will be provided are intended to serve as specification guide standards, and shall form the basis of the production specifications of the devices you intend to produce. "
History tells that emperor Julius Caesar, when he was about to cross the river Rubicon with his army on route towards Rome, said "Alea Iacta Est" (Latin) which in English means: "The dices are thrown". Is it something wrong with this translation (the last comment seems to imply that?
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Crossing the Rubicon? Or parallax? (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 18:50:07 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | It looked like we had crossed the Rubicon a while ago with the SEAS announcement, but it's clear now that we had not. Parallax can confound a single obvervation. We should try to get multiple phenomenology before making firm conclusions.
You mean dice, not dices Vlad. Dice is the plural. Singular is the not-commonly-used "die". Thanks for the latin lesson.
Sorry we did not all recognize your Ceasar quote right away. I remember FW De Klerk's "crossing the Rubicon" speach years ago. I remember having no idea what he was talking about. Later, when I was old enough to understand, I heard him interviewed, and finally got it. He complained that he could not see why the world had not understood that he was saying that apartheid was over, that South Africa was changing to a republic with full participation, and that there was no turning back. Why had sanctions stayed in place? It's amazing someone can be so thoughful and literate as FWDK, and at the same time have such a bad estimate of how well read his listeners are.
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Re: GWE news (Score: 1)
by bender772 on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 19:15:45 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.suppressedscience.net | I have that issue of Nexus. The article is a verbatim copy of material on the website. It first represents the mission statement on
http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/vision.htm
then it gives the "science",
http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/technology.htm
and then the Q&A.
http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/questions.htm
I'd love GWE to be legit, but so far, there have been too many red flags to get excited, for me anyway. I agree with you, the moment of truth will soon come. |
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NDA (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, February 02, 2004 @ 19:04:19 UTC | From GWE (in other words), "As soon as we have you're signed NDA and your money, you can keep your mouth shut about the rip off Hammacher Schlemmer device we just sold you on!"
Hey Patrick Kelly and GWE... Ever heard of this NDA? "Thou shalt not steal"
Despite your World Blessings you are sadly, just a big con. |
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Nobody Does Anything (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Monday, February 02, 2004 @ 22:28:37 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | I doubt the main boosters here, the NDAed license candidates, have even seen the HS device. If they did, they would be certain to ignore the HS logo and the solar panel, and would make some positive mention of it. They haven't done that. The gizmos are all for the investors only. Kelly has to be cautious with the new marks. Are these license candidates really that dumb, or are they wearing a wire? Mostly, they are that dumb. But Kelly can't tell who is who, so he has to be careful.
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Indepenent Lab confirms GWE's claims (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Friday, April 18, 2003 @ 20:20:08 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | Nether Wallop Times
Islay Scotland – Physics Professor Peat N Barley of the Metroplitan University of Nether Wallop has released the results of an independent test performed by the University that completely validates the claims made by Genesis World Energy for the Edison device. Barley initially leaked the report in error, as he has had some difficulty adjusting to the surroundings of the still where he is spending his sabbatical. However, as the whiskey is out of the bottle, so to speak, Barley agreed to communicate on the record.
Times: Professor, can you tell us a little about the tests.
Barley: We set out to test the 3 main claims for the Edison
1 – That the gCell converts water to a molecular state using very little energy;
2 – That the residential version of the device produces 30 kilowatts per day of power, and can do so for 20 years;
3 – That the commercial version of the device can produce a total of 100 kilowatts of energy.
The Edison passed all these tests with flying colors. Unintentionally, we also tested the leak detection and localization controls of the device.
Times: Tell us about the gCell test
Barley: We found that the gCell performs better than GWE claims. With no energy input at all, all water applied to the gCell is expelled in a molecular state. There was no plasma, no 5th state matter. Only plain molecular water came out of the gCell.
Times: Very interesting. Can you tell us about the 30 kilowatts per day of power.
Barley: We ran the device for 10 days. At the beginning of the first day, the Edison produced –300 kw of power, apparently converting it all to waste heat. It was *hot*.
Times: You mean it drew 300 kw.
Barley: Produced negative, consumed positive, however you want to say it. GWE says the Edison produces 30 kw per day of power, and we saw the power generation increased by 30 kilowatts per day. At the beginning of the second day, it was drawing only 270 kw, on the third day, 240. By the end of the 10th day, it was not drawing any power at all. We’re sure it could continue like that for even longer than the 20+ years claimed by GWE.
Times: Did you ever see positive power output from the device?
Barley: No. We were able to validate 10 days of 30kw per day of power increase, but at the end of the 10th day, we inadvertently tested the leak detection system. Some haggis boiled over its pot and put out the flame on the stove. The Edison immediately recognized the leak, even though it was inside the house, while we were in the garage, and stopped working.
Times: This was just when the power output had climbed to 0.
Barley: Yes.
Times: Were you able to continue your test?
Barley: After the safety mechanism was reset, the power output went back to –300kw. This was about the time that I was to leave Nether Wallop for my sabbatical on Islay, so my assistant and I decided to take it with us. This is when we accidentally tested the self-destruct feature. We had a different understanding of “sovereign nation” than GWE. Since there is but one Queen for all of Britain, we thought we could transport this device to Scotland, but GWE counts England and Scotland as distinct countries. Once we took the device to Islay, the Edison never worked again.
Times: You mean moving it from one part of the UK to another broke it?
Barley: It’s a simple geography mistake on GWE’s part. Let’s not pick nits.
Times: How did you test the claim of 100 kilowatts of energy for the commercial version of the device?
Barley: We did not have access to a commercial device. We noticed that it had a high center of gravity, and could be tipped over. Properly geared, the gravitational potential alone would provide 100 kilowatts of power for a sufficiently short period of time.
Times: Well of course. The critics seem to be completely unaware of the math of the situation.
The Times contacted some of the more vocal critics of GWE. Reached in Philadelphia, Eric Krieg stated, “While I completely accept Barley’s results, this result does not qualify for my $10k free energy challenge prize, since that prize is very clearly for the production of 1.5 kw for an extended period in my garage.” Just like a skeptic to hide behind the side issue that his garage is not in England. In San Diego, John Lichtenstein said, “I’ll have to digest more of Islay’s peat and barley before I’ll be able to comment.” Indeed.
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Re: Indepenent Lab confirms GWE's claims (Score: 1)
by Bjoern on Saturday, April 19, 2003 @ 08:29:38 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | How about using kilowatt hours for example, or calories or any unit that discribes energy.
30 or 300 kW per day ? Should we take that for 30 kW in 2 seconds or 24 hours every day ?
There is no meaning with units at all when they dont match the purpose.
The least one could crave for an independent test lab is to use correct vocabular. |
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Re: Indepenent Lab confirms GWE's claims (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, April 21, 2003 @ 08:33:46 UTC | Is that a real article? Something sounds fishy about it. If it is true then I would be a very very very happy person if I was an investor. I still don't get the "Per day" statement on the output power. Do they mean it could maintain 30kw/h on a full load?
This would truly be amazing.
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Re: Indepenent Lab confirms GWE's claims (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, April 21, 2003 @ 08:34:50 UTC | Is that a real article? Something sounds fishy about it. If it is true then I would be a very very very happy person if I was an investor. I still don't get the "Per day" statement on the output power. Do they mean it could maintain 30kw/h on a full load?
This would truly be amazing.
Chipotle, Did they contact you? do you know if this article is available online?
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Re: Indepenent Lab confirms GWE's claims (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, April 21, 2003 @ 10:09:00 UTC | No this is not a real article silly, Peat N Barley are the key ingredient for what????? Scotch Whiskey. Infact many claim the single malt scotch whiskey was founded in Islay.
In the rare event that it is true ...then Mr. Peat N Barley's parents need to layoff the whiskey.
Cheers! |
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Re: Indepenent Lab confirms GWE's claims (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, April 21, 2003 @ 11:43:07 UTC | Electric and power jargon is not in my vocabulary so I don't really understand what this all meas. but
Can someone explain in english, Produced negative, consumed positive?
Does the damndevice work the way GWE claims.
There is no mention of devices drawing its power from the edison device for an extended period of time. it just sounds like the device was charging for 10 days untill they triggered a saftey device which reset it. |
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Re: Indepenent Lab confirms GWE's claims (Score: 1)
by Bjoern on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 @ 14:53:13 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | You are right.
What is input, and what is output? Does the machine eat or produce energy?
What I meant with energy vocabulary was like compare travelling 60 mph per day, uh?
That does not say anything about how long time you travel with 60 mph or how far you get, or anything else either. Compare eating one potatoe per seccond. If you eat for one minute, you have eaten 60 potatoes. If you eat for 0.1 secconds you have eaten 0.1 potatoe. Then you cant say eating one potatoe per seccond per day. That doesn't say anything. However If you eat one potaoe per seccond for a whole day or 24 hrs, that would mean a lot of potatoes. E.g. 1x60x60x24=86400 potaoes per day. Thats something.
(Unlikely, not many people would like to eat a ton of potatoes every day) |
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a lot of new pictures, and a car (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Monday, April 21, 2003 @ 17:32:03 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | I wonder if they have a demo car. Maybe a 1955 Futura?
http://www.geocities.com/hoaxindustries/The_vehicle/the_vehicle.html
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Re: GWE news (Score: 1)
by aironoeus on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 @ 21:21:02 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Just posted on website 05/11/05
Here is a very detailed description of the various licenses and how they operate and how you'll make and sell the devices.
http://www.genesis-scientific.org/licensing/licensing_overview_ATM.htm
Looking good. They are updating on a regular basis now. I'm glad I spoke up, a year or so ago, about making an atmospheric water collector to go with the devices. Hi hope someone listened.
AironeousB
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