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    Power-plant scale Free Energy...
    Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2018 @ 22:40:12 GMT by vlad

    Science DMB writes: In this submission, we address the possibility of using tandem synchronous machines in a stabilized slipped-pole condition as a free energy prime mover for driving a third synchronous generator feeding the grid.

    When I was an electrical engineering student in machines class, one of the students asked, "What happens when a synchronous machine slips a pole?" The answer was something like, "large torque pulsations occur, huge transients flow, and breakers trip..."

    This was clearly an unstable slipped-pole condition whereas this document claims to investigate a stabilized slipped-pole condition. The questions arise "How do we achieve that, and what does it look like?"

    The answer involves connecting two synchronous machines by one solid shaft with the desired slip-angle  appearing between the spinning open-circuit voltages. Then the phases are connected together A to A', B to B', and C to C' where the primed open-circuit voltages of one machine lag the unprimed voltages of the other by 60 degrees.

    If interested parties construct the phasor diagrams for current and voltage and calculate the complex power for each machine, I believe you will find a net real positive power (Pnet) for both machines in sum, and thus a net positive driving torque, which can be used to drive the third generator feeding and synchronized to the grid.



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    Re: Power-plant scale Free Energy... (Score: 1)
    by DMB on Friday, February 16, 2018 @ 03:43:05 GMT
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    This slipped-pole free energy configuration is nothing new. Evidence shows Tesla knew about it and referred to it when he talked of the 4-quadrant operation of synchronous machines. A friend solidified the notion to me, and mentioned that the slip between the open-circuit voltages of the two solidly connected machines enables the conversion of torque-neutral VAR's in one machine into real driving power (P) in the other. Thanks for your patience...

    Re: Power-plant scale Free Energy... (Score: 1)
    by DMB on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 @ 03:32:34 GMT
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    I apoligize but I think I have been wasting your time with this submission. I was working without a scientific calulator and its astonishing how one can bend lines in phasor diagrams drawn freehand. Sorry. Humble pie squared.

    Re: Power-plant scale Free Energy... (Score: 1)
    by DMB on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 @ 08:59:33 GMT
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    Once again, I am Mr. Retraction. This idea, likely originally Tesla's, may have validity after all. The key is getting torque-neutral VARs in one machine to appear as real driving power (P) in the second tandem machine. When I originally mentioned a 60 degree lagging slip angle, I was choosing an arbitrary angle that seemed to work. Perhaps a better demonstration of principle is to have a lagging slip angle of 90 degrees. In this case, assuming a purely inductive (and equal) impedance for each of the two tandem synchronous machines (jwL), three resistive loads equal in magnitude to 2wL must be added, one for each phase, in series with the connected, 90 degree slip machines. In theory, this gives a phaser digram where one synchronous machine has purely driving power and the other has purely reactive power.

    It remains to say what configuration might be optimal in a practical situation. But perhaps worth investigating.

    Re: Power-plant scale Free Energy... (Score: 1)
    by DMB on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 @ 10:07:09 GMT
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    Vlad, I am clearly barking up the wrong tree here. If you could see your way clear to, I ask that you delete the entire series of posts in this chain. Its just a distraction from the authentic free-energy work going on.

    Re: Power-plant scale Free Energy... (Score: 1)
    by vlad on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 @ 18:49:00 GMT
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    DMB, are you asking me to delete your original post and all the comments (yours)?

    Before doing this, I'd like your comment on an old (2002) patent application (US20020125774A1) - The Continuous Electrical Generator (CEG) by Alberto Molina-Martinez (we covered it at that time here ... see the comments and later posts with attempts to test the concept).


    Re: Power-plant scale Free Energy... (Score: 1)
    by DMB on Wednesday, February 21, 2018 @ 08:29:22 GMT
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    Vlad: I am not sure. Data space is pretty cheap, and my only incentive to delete it is to avoid further embarrassment. I'll let you have the final word, with the caveat that it is my preference that the original and all subsequent posts be deleted. I'll check out that generator patent.


    Actualy... (Score: 1)
    by Kadamose on Friday, February 23, 2018 @ 11:22:30 GMT
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    Something like this could definitely work.   The key to making it work would be to add in a thermal engine, such as a nitinol engine or a sterling engine, in parallel with the generators so that the heat generated and wasted, due to the inefficiency of the generators, could be collected.   If the wasted heat were to be put into a medium, such as a pool of water, several nitinol engines could be placed into the pool to scale up efficiency even more.   Overunity could easily be achieved with this method.

    While this is not Tesla's magnifying transmitter idea, it is practical, but only in a power-plant type setting.   If you are wanting to free yourself, or your home, from the grid, this will not work - at least, not very well.

    nitinol engine (Score: 1)
    by Kadamose on Friday, February 23, 2018 @ 11:31:07 GMT
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    This technology has existed since the 70s - but you never hear about it.    Why?    Because they are currently using it!   The so-called 'energy crisis does not exist, and never has.   Instead, it should be called 'corporate greed crisis'.


    more nitinol engine goodness (Score: 1)
    by Kadamose on Friday, February 23, 2018 @ 18:26:03 GMT
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    Putting 20 or 30 of these in parallel with your generators will net you a overunity gain of over 800% of the input.   But, as I said, these are already in wide use today...do you think all this electricity comes from coal, nuclear,  or 'fossil fuels'?   Hardly - if that were the case, we would have sapped those resources long ago.   Free energy has been around for a long time - it's just nobody is allowed to take advantage of the 'free' part.



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