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Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc.
Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 @ 11:10:16 UTC by vlad
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Archer writes: Dr. Robert Langgons of IceFire Systems, Inc. and Mark Tomion, president of Archer Enterprises and inventor of the patented Electrodynamic Field Generator, are pleased and excited to announce the recent formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. as a formal vehicle for the funding and implementation of the co-developers' planned 24kW EDF Generator Prototype Project.
Heretofore, the inventor's individual efforts to prototype the EDF Generator, an exotic variant of the Faraday disk dynamo which produces electric power with no generated retarding torque by electrostatic induction and stimulated thermionic emission means, have been hindered by the lack of adequate funding or any significant governmental or academic support. The new corporate support structure should alleviate this situation and allow a coming demonstration of what may be the world's first self-sustaining over-unity power plant which taps the zero point energy on a large scale. [Detailed information about the EDF Generator technology may be obtained by visiting: www.stardrivedevice.com/power_plant.html.]
Archer Energy Systems, Inc. has already secured the services of ALGO Machine Shop Ltd. of Echo Bay, ON by joint venture arrangement as the 24kW Prototype Project's primary development and assembly facility, and has nearly completed the necessary specification blueprints, component vendor sourcing arrangements, and project manual. A formal AESI business plan is in preparation, and will soon be available to qualified interested parties upon request.
THIS COMMUNICATION SHALL NOT CONSTITUTE AN OFFER TO SELL OR THE SOLICITATION OF AN OFFER TO BUY ANY SECURITIES.
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, April 25, 2004 @ 16:26:18 UTC | "Successful demonstration" ... check
Surprise at lack of government/academic interest ... check
Investment opportunity ... check
Lack of verification by 3rd party ... check
Claim of "the world's first" ... check
Wacky explanations of how the device functions ... check
All of these groups and people making these devices sound so similar. I think it's just people who like physics and like to tinker with equipment. The problem is, that takes money and they have to eat too. So, they dream up elaborate inventions with the promise of unlimited cheap energy, and use that to get "investments" to continue their projects.
There have been dozens of these devices introduced over the last 10 years, and you can still read articles online from 1995,1996, etc. promising "production in 2 years"
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, April 26, 2004 @ 18:38:08 UTC | | It's the prevalence of morons like you, dude, that makes it so hard for pioneering inventors to get anywhere, and tends to make this website such a disappointing waste of time. It's too bad, really ... There always seems to be a dirth of thoughtful commentary which addresses the actual issues in this field and the relative merits of the proposed technologies, and a surfeit of negativistic mudslinging and mindless blather that accomplishes nothing at all. |
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Sigh. Can't we get some better mudslinging? (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Monday, April 26, 2004 @ 20:15:26 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | Mark, is "Dr." Robert Langgons of IceFire Systems the same "Dr." Langgons from Red Rock Dragons?
Mark, you write Heretofore, the inventor's individual efforts to prototype the EDF Generator, an exotic variant of the Faraday disk dynamo which produces electric power with no generated retarding torque by electrostatic induction and stimulated thermionic emission means, have been hindered by the lack of adequate funding or any significant governmental or academic support.
So have you prototyped it already or not? If you've prototyped it, why are you whining about the lack of support? (Rhetorical question, we all know there is no prototype.) If you haven't, why do you use the present indicative "produces"? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say? The EDF Generator is a exotic variant of the Faraday disk dynamo which the inventor Mark Tomion theorizes would produce electric power with no generated retarding torque by electrostatic induction and stimulated thermionic emission means. Tomion's efforts to date have been hindered by the lack of adequate funding or any significant governmental or academic support.
There is no need for the inaccuracy Mark. People will invest based on your expectations and theories. Nobody will ever be able to prove that you didn't expect that Lentz's law doesn't apply to Faraday disks. |
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Re: Sigh. Can't we get some better mudslinging? (Score: 1)
by Archer on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 @ 08:23:57 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Well, John "the Pickle" Lichtenstein:
You are such a bonehead I don't know why I bother, but I'll try explaining this issue to you one last time.
First, it's false to say or even imply that I do not believe Lenz's law applies to disk induction dynamos - especially when I posted an enormous and highly-detailed webpage some time ago that clearly shows the magnitude of the generated magnetic back-torque in such devices and how it's properly calculated!
Tesla himself believed (with good reason) that by craft it is possible to substantially reduce the magnitude of the back-torque created by magnetic induction in the DC disk machines. I've also clearly shown on our new over-unity Faraday Dynamo page just why he was correct and how to demonstrate the rather simple principle involved. But it's obvious that you haven't bothered looking at this rigorous engineering study's evidence and conclusions, which I pointed out to you in my own defense against your condescending crap once before, nor will you bother in all likelihood to do so when I'm done with this latest attempt at "full and fair disclosure".
Lenz losses are, by definition, magnetic in nature. The EDF Generator uses electrostatic induction to avoid creating such losses in the first place! Although I can't really afford to take the time, I'm going to show you how the magntitude of the 'electric binding force' upon an EDF Generator's rotor is properly calculated, as extracted directly from pg. 243 of my book, and you'll see that it is negligibly tiny by comparison to 'normal' Lenz magnetic retarding force.
" . . . First, we must calculate the electric field intensity across the Primary Arrays, and in [a] . . . 4ft. Thermal Unit this intensity's peak value is equal to 574,730 v/m [using data from WorkSheet VIII(c)]. For capacitive parallel plates, this intensity is also equal to q/εA where q is the charge on one plate of area A. Each primary cathode's area is 14.09 cm2, so each Array's total A equals 0.057 m2, and q = 2.58 x 10-7 coul. Here, the binding force F caused by each Array is thus equal to Eq = 0.1483 N and the total force equals 2Eq = 0.2966 N . . ."
The effective Primary Array torque radius in the 4ft. device is ~ 14", or 0.35 m. So, T = Fr = (0.2966)(0.35) = 0.104 N-m = 0.077 ft-lbs. Obviously, this is entirely trivial. Although we could go on to do similar calculations for each of the rotor's 4 induction ring pairs, the result (I can assure you) is quite similar - and the total electrostatic retarding torque is still thoroughly insignificant by comparison to the magnetic back-torque produced in a conventional rotary induction device of comparable output capability.
True, we as yet have no extant prototype, since the projected cost of its development approaches a quarter million dollars. Do you have it? I don't; I don't owe it to you people to be rich as well as gifted. The point of the new corporation is to enable us to complete this important work without the help of those like you who are too snide, cynical, sarcastic, stupid, etc. to be of any use at all. And, no, we will not (as many of 'you' seem to think) need to prey on gullible regular folks for their hard-earned dollars. Not everyone out there is as foolish and trivial as you.
Mark R. Tomion
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Archer Energy Systems, Inc.
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Re: Sigh. Can't we get some better mudslinging? (Score: 1)
by naynayz on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 @ 11:24:20 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Mark,
Calling people boneheads will not get you any more market share, nor will it get people interested in your product. If you are introducing a new technology YOU have taken the burden of presenting it to those that you would have to explain over and over. Patience is not in your forte in this post and will cost you genuinely interested people if you cant take a little criticism. We genuinely want to know how it works. that's all. Peace be with you my friend and good luck on your venture!
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Re: comments for 'naynay' (Score: 1)
by Archer on Friday, April 30, 2004 @ 08:31:05 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Bonjour, "naynay":
"Calling people boneheads will not get you any more market share . . .": No, I'm sure you're right, but it probably won't get me any less either. The people who might invest in our undertaking certainly will not be of Pickles' caliber, since I've learned by my numerous attempts to explain my work to him that he really doesn't want to see any substantiation of advanced concepts in this field, cannot understand even simple algebra, and seems to have little reasoning abililty. So, as I see it, he really is a total bonehead.
"nor will it get people interested in your product. If you are introducing a new technology YOU have taken the burden of presenting it to those that you would have to explain [it to] over and over. . . .": No, I don't think so. If 'people' aren't intelligent enough to already be fascinated by this work, or that I don't have to 'explain it over and over' to them - beyond the disclosure provided on our terrifically informative website - then Christ save them.
"Patience is not in your forte in this post and will cost you genuinely interested people if you cant take a little criticism. We genuinely want to know how it works. . . .": 'Patience is not my forte', period. We're all out of time for foolishness. And I like to think that I can take constructive criticism as well as the next man. What I can't 'take' is willful ignorance and maliciousness, and cannot suffer fools. I truly can't understand why you all find my work so difficult to apprehend; if you 'genuinely want to know how it works', and honestly try for once to really apply the brains God gave you, then why is it that you can't?!
And, even scarier, why is it that some of you - like Pickle - don't wan't men like myself to succeed in our quest? Maybe we are chasing the Grail, but such a thing is inarguably noble and honorable in nature - and anyone who who doesn't think so is simply heathen.
I've made every effort to provide full and fair disclosure that I can, and will continue to do so. Very few of you ever ask me anything perceptive or even sensible, though. Adieu.
Mark T.
Archer Energy Systems, Inc. |
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$250k budget (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, April 29, 2004 @ 11:42:33 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | I had wanted to ask you how much it was going to cost your investors to learn that your concept is fundamentally flawed. So now we know. I can only hope that once you have spent that much, and you still find that the torque is proportional to the load, that you will not chase good money after bad. Also if you would publish the negative result, it could help future tinkerers not to make the same mistake.
This distinction you seem to draw between magnetic and electrostatic forces is very old fashioned. Since Maxwell, it's been popular to model magnetism as an eletrostatic effect. I'm sure you know that, but seems not to have sunk in.
I'm sure Langgons wont prey on the gullible, but will instead attract as investors the same class of geniuses as Red Rock Dragons. |
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 @ 09:48:30 UTC | I'm a moron because I believe that devices that produce free energy should be rigorously tested and demonstrated and then I'll believe the physics behind them? I'm a moron because I can see the same scam repeated over and over again?
So, how is that Lutec 1000 coming along? Production was supposed to start in 2003, I sent them an e-mail, no response! The last update to their site was in November, 2003. You'd think that shipping free energy devices would be big news, why no updates?
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 1)
by naynayz on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 @ 10:58:12 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | I have to agree. But the question is what about the patent that they have. Perhaps get the specifics since it is already patented then no one would really legally be able to take it from them if it works. I would like to know if this is a modification from a aerospace propulsion system, why isnt NASA or other entities beating down his door? Where is the propulsion system? have they got that to work properly before they went off to this other "project." |
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 05, 2004 @ 11:51:45 UTC | Whoops! Forgot an important detail:
"Patent" ... check
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 1)
by pulsed_ignition on Saturday, May 08, 2004 @ 13:58:06 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://diamondlube.com | Patent, Check????
How about a Reality Check?
You forgot something even more important - a prototype that backs up wild claims of a "new technology" based on the cobbling together of old technologies.
How far off the floor does it hover, oh - no prototype. How much power does it consume - oh, no prototype. All I hear is a load of HYPE without the benefit of a single PROTOTYPE.
But Tomion claims it is all based on solid mathematics of "StarDrive Engineering", except he is an electric motor technician that has promoted himself with warp speed to "StarDrive Engineer."
I for one, cannot wait to see the final product and hear those famous words - I only need another $250,000 to finish fine tuning it. Nice patent, but where is the prototype that proves you are not as unbalanced as you sound in previous posts?
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Sunday, May 09, 2004 @ 08:42:38 UTC | Oh man, not you again! You must be as bad a no-life as Lichtenstein. I thought maybe you'd died from spontaneous pulsed ignition . . . Thank God I've only accumulated you two malicious dickheads out of all the dozens of decent people who follow this work and generally have much-appreciated encouragement to offer.
As I've said before, if those like you and Pickle are just too dumb to get it, then piss off. There's no real need to get vicious, unless you're willing to accept like treatment back. I wonder if idiots like the two of you would accept the REALITY of this work even when we are able at last to successfully demonstrate our proof-of-concept prototype.
I'm very sorry that it's so expensive these days to build equipment like the EDF Generator from scratch, and that I don't have the personal fortune I'd need to do this without requiring some financial help - but that's the way it is. That doesn't necessarily mean there's anything suspect about my efforts, except maybe to ignorant blighters like you.
If I'm "unbalanced" because I get upset when I naively fall for such crap and try to justify my life's work to fools - only to find out again and again that there's no civilized dealing with the likes of you - so be it. What's it to you, anyway? There's nothing you can do about who and what I am, or about where I'm going. You're just some merde du chien I stepped in along the way.
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Archer Enterprises |
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Re: Formation of Archer Energy Systems, Inc. (Score: 1)
by pulsed_ignition on Sunday, May 09, 2004 @ 11:39:26 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://diamondlube.com | Dear Mr. Tomion,
You still have the same remedial vocabulary level, but without a prototype - all the ranting doesn't look too good for you. Proof is all anyone needs or is asking for, but it's not your fault you don't have any. Could it be you still don't know how to build the EDF yet? Just don't copy from a current patent.
Good luck and best regards.
Chris Arnold President/CEO
PlasmaKing Corp. |
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Re: delivering the goods (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, May 10, 2004 @ 06:45:31 UTC | | Yeah, that's it, dickhead; I don't know how to build my own invention! Even though I've made a complete technical manual publicly available; but, you probably couldn't read it anyway. Tell you what, though: why don't you give me your correct street address, so we can drop by and deliver the book to you in person? |
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Re: delivering the goods (Score: 1)
by pulsed_ignition on Monday, May 10, 2004 @ 08:21:16 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://diamondlube.com | A complete technical manual, wow - I am impressed. Except you have no proof it is based in reality. I don't need your book but sales must be pretty slow if you what to start giving them away, and why would need more than yourself to deliver it to me? Sounds like another threat - but don't worry, I kept a record of your last threatening email too. Maybe this is just another reason nobody will invest, it's your attitude.
BTW, there have been some new developments at PlasmaKing. Once the final report is in from electron microscopy, I will supply some info on my webpage at http://members.aol.com/hypercom59
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Re: delivering the goods (Score: 1)
by vlad on Monday, May 10, 2004 @ 17:33:51 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | Gentlemen, please...you're both respectable people after the same thing essentially (FE). Unfortunately, some devices are more complicated than other and consequently, beyond a "working class" inventor's financial means. But that doesn't make them less valid, especially when they're backed by an extensive theoretical work (not obviously flawed/convincingly rebutted as far as I know - Randy Mills is in the same category, but he got his money).
For once and for all of us and those to come, leave your ego aside, look at the target/the big picture and find encouraging words for those on the same side of the battle as you...are you not sick and tired of crap from pathological skeptics and vested interests mercenaries? |
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Re: delivering the goods (Score: 1)
by Archer on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 @ 09:13:26 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | Sorry, Vlad - point taken. I shouldn't let myself be provoked into venting my frustrations in your forum. It's just very hard for me to know that my work has such an impeccably sound mathematical and engineering design basis and have it be sneered at by plebians - who stand to benefit as much as anyone if my efforts are validated.
I should be, and in my better moments am, very gratified by the fact that no bona fide scientist or engineer has ever come down negatively on it.
I would, of course, like to continue posting memos occasionally on the ZPEnergy site, but will in future try my best to mind my tongue. Thanks for your continued interest, support, and tolerance.
Votre ami,
Mark T.
Archer Energy Systems, Inc. |
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the bads,the uglies, and the dickheads (dat's me) (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 01:07:41 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | Vlad - Wouldn't it be nice at least to make Mark sign in if he wants to call someone a dickhead? Or is vulgarity, along with death threats or threats against one's family, that really, are what anonymity all about here? Such smock-sucking rag bons of stiches you are, Jonathan, Vlad and Rob all.
This seems like time for a summary.
Chris has an actual device. With it, he combined iron (or steel) and carbon to make something. Let's just call that steel. He claimed that what he had produced was "steel combined with carbon at the molecular level". I still have no idea what that means, no bother, Chris says that that was just a "speculation". Oh. So now he speculates it's something different, magnetic Carbon. What happened to the Iron? No bother. We are sure not to hear from Jupiter/Chris/pulsed-Ignition/etc for 6 months after the lab informs him that his steel is steel. Chris quiet. That's nice. The longer the lab takes to tell Chris that steel is Iron and Carbon, the longer Chris is quiet, the better off the world is.
Mark has a book. Mark seems to believe that classical EM theory predict the possibility of perpetual motion machines. (Or he knows better, but it would be hard to prove it,.) He claims to be a Lentz law believer, with his own non-standard Lentz law,but a firm Maxwell skeptic. Anyway, Mark's chosen to finance operations with the help of the Tuplips and Langgoons of the world. Most of us, including those, like Vlad, who are willing to pass their eyes quickly over a crime if they see it, arrange their lives so as never to do business with a Tulip or a Langgoon.
Vlad has chosen to skip over (or will later want to convince the judge that he has skipped over) organized crime connections in articles posted to the top level, except to add the caveat that the site's not meant as investor info. So Archer's mob friends (Tulip, Langgoons), AEC's mob friends (Igor Illitchev, Dizenzo), Vlad does not notice. And for the mob connections of the scam Vlad's been intimately involved with over a year, Vlad does not disclose. (Good grief. Have you schmucks ever once asked why Shane left Primary Health, or Pet's Choice, or why it was in such a hurry? Or about the name of a single colonel who remembers the manufacturing the helmets? Or why they had a tax lien for close to 10 years they managed to pay off just as this scam started? Or why the white goo oozes from everywhere? Professional victims you are! It's no use to wish that you forget yourself yucked, because you do it to yourself with such enthusiasm your enemies could never match it. How can such schlamozzles fail to attract a schlameel?)
Shmucks, note that "solar battery" is an old term for solar cell, and you will find none other that's relevant to what you are doing. Search on Google for any other use of the term. Got it? You are signing a big IOU for a "solar battery". Vlad, is it enough that a scam artist be Georgian that you will whore for them? Did you even know the scamsters included a Georgian when you starter whoring? Did she need to provide some evidence for you? Why don't you tell everyone? You have pumped this scam since 2002-December because why? Because they showed you the Hamburger-Hamburgler toy, or because you were charmed by some Georgian Ayn Rand wannabe crazy whore bitch? I'll tell anyone who asks me that you were paid nothing, and will whore for any Ayn Rand wannabe with a bad enough accent (it seems childishly naive of me, but I am a sucker). In a few months, you will be telling folks the same thing (about how you broadcast whatever you are told by octogenarian Georgian whores). Why not skip the steps in-between? |
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Re: the bads,the uglies, and the dickheads (dat's me) (Score: 1)
by pulsed_ignition on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 06:41:50 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://diamondlube.com | I will try to answer, but the lab has not provided a specific answer as of today, they are one week overdue. The only thing the lab told me was, there are extremely small spheres in the samples and some of them appear to be coated. I was not told what the spheres composition was or what the coating was. It sounds like nano-tech and maybe they never saw this material before and would like to be damn sure of what they put in a report? Maybe they don't think I deserve the answers - this "has" happened several times before.
Steel generally has .04% carbon (NOT 4%), so if my material has a 50% carbon to iron ration as I anticipate - what would you call it? There is something about Chipotle that bugs Me, he wants all information to be free, complete and he wants it now. What Chip calls me makes little difference, as I must wait for the lab results - however if the results need a white paper and cannot be immediately released, I would expect Chip to let me have it with both barrels for not making a complete disclosure. And there is something else of a breakthrough nature in the residue, but what that is must be determined by another lab. And the radioactive hydrogen must be tested by another lab, but I still have not found one that will accept the sample for testing, save one that quoted me $2,000 for the test. At any rate, without funding I can't do any more on my own without funding.
And yes Chip, I have a device. I actually have 9 working prototypes with a brand new design that is 90% complete - and all of them operate in strict opposition to EE training, but still they operate. Soon, and with infinite wisdom, they will change their minds.
Best Regards,
Chris Arnold President/CEO
PlasmaKing Corporation
http://members.aol.com/hypercom59
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nice update. not magnetic Carbon. (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 09:37:21 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | Thanks for the update Chris. I do not object to you holding up reports till you get substantial results. I complain that you report speculation and call it results. "Carbon molecularly bonded with steel" changed to "magnetic Carbon" and now 50% Carbon 50% Fe.
Of course, that's better than to claim that you have results when you don't. |
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Re: nice update. (I never said NOT magnetic Carbon) (Score: 1)
by pulsed_ignition on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 11:14:49 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://diamondlube.com | Chip,
I don't understand how you can honestly claim I made all these unfounded "Claims" when a cursory re-reading of my original post will reveal choice "key words" that proclaim I don't know what the plasma created. Here are the words you have completely ignored in favor of proclaiming I have made claims - "with all probability" - "thought to be" - "Whatever it is" - "I suspect" - "but only testing will tell". I simply attempted to be clear and you attempted to be cleaver, by obfuscation.
This is not an attack on you Chip - just a point of clarification.
Best Regards,
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genesis world update (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 11:24:28 UTC | | To Chipotle and the other genesis watchers. The site has been updated...any comments? |
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I don't see any update on public site. (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 12:11:21 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | I shift reloaded the public site and I don't notice anything new. Is it an update on the private site? I don't see there. Let me guess, the new technology was announced and it's a cloaking device. They are using it to hide a valley high up in Colorado, where they have an entire Genesis powered civilization. That's where the 400 visionaries live, with Elvis. They don't use paper money, and practice open marrige.
Did I get it right? |
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close but no cigar (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 12:39:48 UTC | | see if this works. its an update in the "latest news" section. http://www.genesisworldenergy.org/genesis_world_energy.htm |
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Re: Personal attacks (Score: 1)
by vlad on Thursday, May 13, 2004 @ 22:43:35 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | John Lichtenstein, do we need a sign: Do NOT post under the influence (of whatever substance you’re abusing)? Are you talking Yiddish, shmok? What is clear (to me at least) in your latest episode of delirium tremens, is a vulgar personal attack on my colleagues and me, nothing else. Aside from “whore-ing octogenarian Georgian whore bitches”, you’re also awarding me with some status/rank in the international organized crime, with which I seem to be intimately involved (from now on, you call me Don Vladone or I’ll have a contract on your dick heads!%-).
Joke aside; do I need to edit your posts so you can learn what we mean by “relevant substance” and “civilized format” in a posted comment? Or, to paraphrase you: “This seems like time for”… you to go”? Don’t you see I kept you here, despite popular request to the contrary, just because I consider your research and “sane” comments (when you’re “sober”) valuable for maintaining a balance and provide an other side of a story (even if fabricated by your tormented mind)? Did your parents teach you that tolerance should be abused? Do you think I need you?...or I care about the sour-pickled side of your character? Why don’t you trash me on your site (if that makes you come) and behave like I almost begged you on mine? Probably you want to be banned to bring to the world (you’re everywhere in the FE/AG Internet circles) the great news: ZPEnergy.com censors skeptics – they’re a bunch of crackpots and nothing to learn from them!
To all: this site deals with controversial subjects. We are normal, open minded and curious people serving no other interest (organized crime, men in black, aliens, etc.) but our own: to collect and report on interesting “exotic/fringe” (for now – as the electricity was before Galvani) mostly experimental (some theoretical too) research in the new energy field. We do not push/pump/promote/sell/recommend anything or anybody, despite what other “psychics” may say about us. This site is NOT a discussion list – people post the news articles and the comments should stay focused, simple and bring value to the original information. Hate rants and personal attacks are STRICTLY FORBITEN. We, ZPEnergy.com moderators (Vlad and Rob for now) promise to enforce this rule from now on, with minimal tolerance. First strike you’re warned, second strike you’re edited, third strike your’re out/banned.
John, congrats, you’re level II.
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I stand corrected! It's hackers making Vlad look bad. (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Saturday, May 15, 2004 @ 00:21:20 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | | [Removed - Another no content, pointless bickering post from the sour man (mostly targeting me) that proves again (when am I going to get it?) he doesn't (or doesn't want to) understand what is my role here and why I put up this site. I'll post this one in the forum, for those interested in such ramble that will only take somebody's time from other more useful things. - Vlad] |
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Re: the bads,the uglies, and the dickheads (dat's me) (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 @ 11:29:30 UTC | OK, what about what you did in your lifetime? Spell it out for us. OK you can type and put shit up about everybody else., what woould you do if your life story was put up into the internet for all to read. May be somebody ought to turn the tables on you. You must have nothing, NOTHING else to do in your life.
Thanks, but your boring....
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I can't compete with Captains of Industry (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 @ 13:35:35 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | like Robert Langgons from Red Rock Dragons, John Tulip from Mellen University (different Tulip than the amazing guy from Alberta), Igor Illitchev, or Dizenzo. Next to them, my bio is quite boring. And, certainly, I can't hope to compete with Anonymous Coward and his countless contributions to society.
Mostly we should thank those those would-be licensees who sat on the information that GWE was making false claims both here (about the UL, about the dividend, ...) and on the website (going into production in August). We can see that it was they who were right to withhold that information, not me to disclose it. After all, according to their website, GWE's been selling devices for two months now, and now that we see shelves stocked with all the new iGas powered appliances, showrooms filled with HICEF powered cars, houses powered with Edisons, deserts blooming with perpetual motion powered dehumidifiers, Angel scholarships and research grants funded, Boise booming, the whole economy turning around, and energy prices tumbling. If the would-be licensees had told the truth to the investors back in (pick your date), the investors might have panicked. Now, those investors are all on the front pages of the Philly Inquirer and the NYT as NJ's newest billionaires.
I am sure that the day they introduce the HICEF powered train, I'll be run our of town on a rail.
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Re: I can't compete with Captains of Industry (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 @ 06:00:01 UTC | | Still not an answer to my question. What do you do in real life? Are you a whore for the energy company's who does not want this type of good energy to be released? Who is the coward? At least these people are trying to better the world, where you are always trying to bring them down any way you can. Who is the coward I say?What do you do for a living? Besides write your opinion about what you think? You blast everybody and everything. So show us you and your accomplishements. I'll bet you refine it into 1 sentence. You just cant' or wont show your face. Your sir/madam are the Coward. |
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I can't compete with Captains of Industry (Score: 1)
by bodebliss on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 @ 12:05:21 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://picoscience.8m.com/ | | Personal attacks of this nature should not appear in these pages, at least Pickle doesn't hide who it is making a detraction. |
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Re: I can't compete with Captains of Industry (Score: 1)
by MOTSB on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 @ 13:37:10 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | I agree with bodebliss about pickle, Vlad I haven't heard your response to picle's allegations that you edited your website. Of course you have proven to us that you will...Is there a conflict of interest here?
Do you get money from GWE or any of these other
POSSIBLY fraudulent entities that are posted on your site? Who pays the bills? I just want to know.
We all are interested in the latest gizmo, but were do you draw the line between posting all kind of wacky stuff and perpetuating fraud. That is the question....one man's fraud is another man's hope for better world. Where do you draw the line? Free energy is like a magnet for sheisters of all walks....
and we love it...we can't get enough of it...do us a favor for your own sake.....clarify your relationship with your links, don't edit your site and let pickle say whatever the hell he wants, because without him this site seems like a infomercial for scammers.
thats my 2 cents....i hope i don't get censured
p.s. I am a member that is choosing to be anon in protest on vlad's policy of editing, sorry pickle.
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Re: I can't compete with Captains of Industry (Score: 1)
by MOTSB on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 @ 13:43:57 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | OK , so I'm not that anon,but I may be in the future if I have to .... |
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Re: I can't compete with Captains of Industry (Score: 1)
by MOTSB on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 @ 13:47:10 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | One more thing before I get off my soapbox...Vlad
this is a hellofa website, and I read it everyday...please keep up the good work. |
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Thx MOTSB for the Scottish shower;-) (Score: 1)
by vlad on Thursday, May 20, 2004 @ 00:28:45 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | MOTSB...I love you man...I love pickle too (but his ass I would kick a few times):-D
Again (but I shall NOT repeat this anymore – pay attention!) a quick answer to your comments (and pickle’s below):
· I challenge anybody here to prove to me that I EVER edited this site EXCEPT for bad language, personal attack and release of private info on other people. Even for these reasons, I should have done it much more often, since we DO NOT like this kind of stuff! I just don’t have enough time to strictly police it, preferring to spend my time scanning an enormous amount of material to get interesting latest news on the new energy topic for you. Pickle’s problem is his sarcastic style and his allegation was made in the same style, which is confusing and dangerous since not everybody understands it as intended (am I right John?). That’s why I made the statement in my first reply to his attack on me and Rob that this site IS NOT a discussion list; the comments should be concise, to the point and adding VALUE to the original news story. John’s comment that I removed I posted in the Forum, as promised, with my reply inserted, and the request to the sane part of his brain to stop here (see “I stand corrected! It's hackers making Vlad look bad” in the Forum section)
· I and NONE of the people who work with us get any money from anybody (fraudulent entities or not). We do this out of passion for the subject, in our spare time (after our regular working program, many times in detriment of a good quality time with our families). We are all VOLUNTEERS. The Google adds (the only ones we carry) help a little bit with the hosting expenses. Everything else comes from MY pocket and I have NEVER asked for any money from anybody, because I want to remain totally independent and in full control of my site. I only have confidence in ME as a totally HONEST person. Note that I didn’t say totally knowledgeable and impartial since I am just an engineer biased towards the proponents of the possibility of FE from tapping the ZP/vacuum/space/ambient energy fields, in the not so distant future. Now you know MOTSB. Do you want to volunteer to help us with the load? I have a few discussion groups I get daily digests from I can assign you to monitor and extract the type of news we(you)’re looking for on this site. If anybody reading this has a new energy info source that you like and want to daily monitor/report on you’re welcomed to join us. Let me know through Feedback.
· When I post/approve something I do NOT consider it a fraud. It may prove to be a fraud later when we’ll clearly say it so. It is easy to say in hindsight: “you guys perpetuated a fraud!” You said it well; what we perpetuated was our hope for a better world and we killed it when the hope it generated died. GWE/WEM may prove to be a fraud (probably the biggest and well thought so far) but I’m not yet convinced as pickle is. I just don’t give then any money and we adviced everybody here (investors, licensee…whatever they are) not to do it before they are convinced of its reality as GWE originally stated. I do not believe anybody can say we encouraged investment in this company, at this stage. They have missed many deadlines as pickle pointed out but considering the logistics of what they want to do this is not uncommon. Look at many simple projects around you and see how many were completed on schedule and within budget. The secrecy is also understandable given the immense disruptive nature of this device IF it works as claimed. When GWE appeared on the scene I asked a good friend of mine who met with Randy Mills (BlackLightPower) in Italy to ask his opinion if what GWE claims is possible. He said yes and he is just hoping they will not beat him in the race to bring it to the market. I agree with pickle on many other of his arguments, especially on the very low probability that anybody can keep such a legit operation (on the scale they claim it is) perfectly cloaked, for such a long time. If nothing “concrete” comes out soon from them, I would say they must be a scam (again, this is just my opinion and I’m far from perfect). So, MOTSB, we should all help in drawing that line.
· Pickle, I hope I replied to your accusations to. People, I usually refrain from intervening in your arguments if I have nothing of value to add. I don’t think you’re waiting for me to say yes, pickle (or MOTSB or whoever) is right or wrong to make it so. Those things you claim were false on GWE site were evident for everybody. Why do you think I censor myself for not making a redundant statement? GWE is notorious for not properly updating their site. That being said, if something is really happening and it is behind schedule they should properly update their site (another possible scenario).
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Still evasive. (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, May 20, 2004 @ 15:45:40 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | I replied over at the forum.
I just wanted to reply that MOTSB didn't misunderstand my claim that you are comprimised when discussing GWE because I was sarcastic. He misunderstood because I was vague. Why don't you spell the conflict out for him?
I don't understand what you are talking about with "Those things you claim were false on GWE site were evident for everybody". It would be fun to have you go through their website and their posts here and point out which ones are obviously false, false, but not obvipusly so, ...
More to the point of this thread. Have you googled "John Tulip" "Mellen University" or "Robert Langgons"? Not folks you want to be posting articles from. |
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Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to. (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 @ 17:07:08 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | The conflict's not that GWE is paying the site.
(As much as I would like to stay with the new chipper chipotle style, I don't want to be unclear here. So {/sarcasm}.)
It's extremely unlikely that GWE pays this site any money at all. MOTSB, aren't you the one who reported that they stiffed GR? And don't get me started on their franchise tax and corporate registration fees. GWE doesn't pay anybody they don't have to. That's Ferengi law of acquisition #3.
The problem is the difference between posting a lot of wacky stuff (OK) and volunteering to assist in producing informercials for fraud, as you put it. Vlad censors himself when GWE posts here (see the threads on the UFTC dividend, or the UL) or their site (GWE's been in production since 2003-Aug, and licensees have had products on the market since 2004-Q1) things Vlad knows to be false. Not that he ought to know are false, but that he does know are false. |
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Re: Still no answer to my ? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, May 27, 2004 @ 11:30:23 UTC | | You still can not answer my question, "what have you ever done in your life that makes you so special?" You can't even answer one question. As for your bull about these people . You don't have cut them to shredds unless of course your interested in what will come of this. So, what if it is kept quite. Who wants shit heads like you showing up and making there good-for-nothing pleas with those who are not informed about the world or what is going on. What do you do for a living? I Don't know who you are to bring up corporate fees. So what . Who cares? Who pays you ? |
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seems like more of an accusation than a question (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, May 27, 2004 @ 13:36:03 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | Anyway, the reason why I keep bringing up state franchise fees is that they are part of what differentiates an actual business from a sham. Just look at any small business, a real business, with a storefront and hours of operation and all that. They will be registered with the state. UFTC, the company that sold shares in the Edison to investors, never even paid their registration fee. Those shares were worthless paper the day they were printed.
I elect not to provide a lot of biographical information about myself on-line as a precaution. For yourself, as you complain that I don't list more about my bio while you don't even list your name, I have to say that your sense of humor is broke. I don't know if there is a cure for that.
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Vlad, why not sign the insult? (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Friday, May 28, 2004 @ 00:40:32 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | We all know Vlad how important it has been to you that people be able to post vulgar insults and baseless accusations of criminal activity anonymously. If this site is about anything, it's about anonymous hate speech. But when Vlad himself does the posting, it seems like a misuse of anonymity. Why, when posting vulgarity, do you insist on doing it anonymously?
Vlad is all about vulgarity. All about lies. All about crime. He worships it. Volunteers for it. |
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Re: Vlad, why not sign the insult? (Score: 1)
by vlad on Saturday, May 29, 2004 @ 14:50:54 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.zpenergy.com | The difference between these anons and you is that you sign your vulgar insults (wrapped in "the pickle sarcasm") and baseless accusations of criminal activity (recently directed toward me and my colleagues at this site). Your impertinence went so far as to accuse me of posting vulgarity anonymously, lies, even crimes!? No pickle, those posts were made by you (since people started ignoring you) just to bring you back to the slum you're type feels more comfortable with, and to continue to throw your verbal dejection into all of us here. Have you ever asked yourself why it is only YOU that generates this kind of behavior?
Your recent tactic to attack me personally is a desperate act of discrediting this site, since we acquired a very high credibility for honesty and balance in reporting about new energy research. I did not believe in people payed to do whatever it takes to destroy/discredit any type of activity to raise awareness about the reality of this research, but I must admit you changed my belief.
You have accused and offended me in a public forum, signing and not retracting any of your libel concerning myself and my partners at ZPEnergy.com. I have explained to you and all our patrons, what is this site, why it is operated like it is, what we feel is our responsibility and what is yours (the readers/posters), what is our bias and why, and explicitly warned, many times, of the risks of getting financially involved, without proper due diligence, with any new company (not just those you read about first time here).
I offer you a chance to prove your accusations about ME lying, promoting scams (even perceived ones such as GWE) on this site/forum or any other site/forum (as you accuse me in our own forum section) and criminal activity (above all). Please, don't use again "I should've known", "I should've posted/commented" this and that...list evidence of your accusations from what I DID, do you understand that? You have one week to do that. Pls reply in the forum section since I feel ashamed of playing your stupid game here, where I'm trying to discourage irrelevant posts/comments as much as I can (I admit, I have to do better).
If you fail to prove your libel as stated, you still have one option to remain here: apologize like a gentleman and take advantage of your voice on this site to bring your arguments on the topic (pro or against) in a civilized manner. Maybe I am stupid to give you that chance but, I want people to understand why you might be the first person to be banned from this site. That would show clearly who you are and what you were after (I'm sure you'll flood the INTERNET with the news: ZPEnergy has banned the pickle "skeptic freedom fighter") since in reality your stated goal of "protecting the people" by having a voice here, has no value to you (and never had).
As always, it is your choice.
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Re: Vlad, why not sign the insult? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, June 04, 2004 @ 07:52:46 UTC | Hi guys,
Listen, mud slinging and cat fights aren't going to speed up GWE's progress any faster. I read theses pages and think to myself "this is better than any pay perview show". You all have great points and yes its taking along time for GWE to get there act together but insults and and finger pointing are not going to make things go any faster. Let's stick to the hard facts boys, we all can relate to the frustration of hurry up and wait. |
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Re: Vlad, why not sign the insult? (Score: 1)
by baldy on Saturday, June 05, 2004 @ 09:48:31 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Sounds like a womans voice to me. Those that have been here since 12-06-02 when GWE was announced know the name Guy Rome and Associates. Sounds like a man huh? Wrong it is two 42 yr old died in the wool feminists, feme` natzi control freaks in the Rush Limbaugh tradition. They know who I am because I have called them that to their faces. They have been in this, what ever you want to call it scam or the biggest news of the century. They also know all the players, from face to face contact. They know where the bones are barried who wrote what and wrote the copy of the info on the web site because they wrote it. This one that I address I suggest is written by the leader of Guy Rome Teresa Guy. No I didn't misspell here name intentionally to show disrespect! They charged WEM or Gwe a min. of $96.00 an hour now they want to pick your brains without giving you anything in return! I am told that is the nature of the PR folks. Not so. I have worked with some very fine folks in that field. These two ladies hide behind their NDR agreement, but those of you more sophisticated folks know that is not a cop out allowed when and if fraud or other crimes or misdemeanors have been committed. They have ALL the first hand facts because they were there! Now they want cover by pryng as anon. They stepped out from under the veil and are fair game for any questions before you offer any answers to anything! They just want paid for thier dirty work and participation from the Artistic side. Yes, "Artists" also created the man urinating on Christ. But only Christ's father CREATED the whole WORLD. HE alone is The ARTIST! You say who am I to say? My name and background are just a click away for all to see and have been since my first post and attached to every post without exception. The slippery ickle and I have had many tussles, but I have always respected his forthrightness and candor. Vlad was correct, no one knows yet, for sure one way or the other. The only reason I stepped into the background was that economic necessity required that I must. Seventeen months was enough on the "come". I still say we need spell check on this site. (sic) sorry for all the boo boos. Lay it to old age if you want to. Baldy |
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Re: Still no answer to my ? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, June 03, 2004 @ 13:38:04 UTC | | As someone who is interested in the viablity of GWE and UFTC, what "the Pickle" says has verified what i have already found out. The GWE appears to be more scam than real business. If GWE would pay me, they might make a believer out of me, but all you get from them is a lot of nothing. They don't even return phone calls or give information that would make me believe they are anything but a scam. Any word on the NJ Investigation? |
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GWE could pay anybody to gain credibility (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Thursday, June 03, 2004 @ 23:12:31 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | It always brings me some comfort when I hear money changing hands, even if I'm not part of the transaction. It's like watching a hummingbird sip nectar. I don't have to be in on the action to enjoy it. I would love to hear that UFTC has paid the DE filing fee and 2 years of back franchise tax fees, and dividends. GWE, I would love to hear that they paid their first round of PR people (GR, Bosscomm), their second round of PR people (whoever was doing their webpage in September-November), their Angel scholarships, their research grants. WEM, I would love to hear that they renewed their NV registration, now months delinquent. But I am much more likely to get Zach to do my answering machine greeting. (I'll call his agent tomorrow.)
Call NJ if you have any info for them. I wouldn't say if I had. Maybe they can provide you with some solace. Otherwise, open an investigation with your own AG. NJ is a big place. It doesn't look like it on the map, but there are more people in one county of NJ than in all of MT or ID. An AG in MT or ID might be more responsive. |
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Re: Still no answer to my ? (Score: 1)
by baldy on Thursday, June 03, 2004 @ 23:58:55 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Why would she pay you, you ill bred half wit. You don't extend her or us the courtesy of saying who you are, or why we should even read your drivel. You are just a little boy hiding behind you mammas apron. I have 1000s of hours devoted to the Shaws since 12-06-02 and I have not gotten one nickle, yet you step up to the plate and say I will be loyal to you Mrs Shaw if you pay me. You poor miserable uneducated nit wit, you do have guts, just no brains or were you bored on some other chat line and decided you would come here and show us all how to get something done right. Grow up and come back in three years and show us how! |
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Re: Still no answer to my ? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 08, 2004 @ 08:14:14 UTC | | It only took me a couple hours to figure out that the GWE was bad news. Your 1000s of hours have yielded what? Who's the halfwit/nitwit? Does 1000's of hours make you fry your hair folicles? |
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No, it's that they should be anon. (Score: 1)
by chipotle_pickle on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 @ 16:34:16 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) http://freehydrogen.blogspot.com | | This owners of the site like personal attacks. They just like for them to be anonymous or against unnamed or diverse parties (them, da man, the DOE). Go figure. |
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Re: No, it's that they should be anon. (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, June 04, 2004 @ 07:41:23 UTC | |
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Re: No, it's that they should be anon. (Score: 1)
by baldy on Friday, June 04, 2004 @ 10:22:51 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Yes, so that all the emotional Dems can hide their profile as irrational irresponsible twits. I acknowledge it is that season when those from the other side of the isle don't want to be accountable for what they do or say! |
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Re: No, it's that they should be anon. (Score: 1)
by baldy on Saturday, June 05, 2004 @ 09:52:38 UTC
(User Info | Send a Message) | | The last post I thought was going under this subject, but once you click send it is too late. Not sure now where this will show up, so if all else fails you will have to look for the date and time. baldy |
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