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of Dr. Steven Greer’s Interview
on Coast to
Coast AM Radio with George Noory
George Noory (GN): …
Tonight, this hour, we're going
to talk about Zero Point Energy. Welcome, Dr. Greer. How are you today?
Steven Greer (SG):
I'm fine, thank you. How are you?
GN: Good. Always a pleasure.
Zero Point Energy. Is there an organization or an individual actually working on
SG: Well, we are of course. I'm
not so sure it's really zero point energy.
Some would say it's the quantum vacuum flux field energy.
There are a lot of people with different theories about it. But as you
know, we have formed a group called Space Energy Access Systems, which is a
company that is in the process of identifying and testing
technologies, machines, devices that claim to - put simply - put out
more energy and electric power than we have to put into it, which of
course, supposedly cannot be done, but in fact it can be. The reason I'm
speaking with you tonight is that we have apparently - and I'm going to qualify
my words very carefully here --
SG: But it appears that we have
found such a “Holy Grail”-type device, a very serious invention held by an
inventor. My scientific advisor and the board of directors of this group - our
group - have recently done an onsite inspection and testing of this system and I
can tell you that, except for some of the extraterrestrial devices in UFOs that
I've seen, this is the most astounding material object I've ever seen in my
life. And that's saying something.
So the reason I am speaking
about this at this very early stage of its discovery is that the millions of
people listening tonight are our protection. Those of you who are listening to
this should tell everyone they know that this is a thing coming down the path.
It is our intention to protect this system, get it tested, get it perfected, get
it out to the public and terminate the need for gas and oil and coal and start
an entirely new sustainable civilization on this planet, and that is long
overdue. It could have happened probably fifty years ago or more. But it's now
time for us to do it as a people. The
people who are hearing this for the first time need to understand that I have
considered carefully whether or not to even talk about it at this stage, but we
felt for security reasons it's very important to talk about this.
If the testing and development
of this holds up, it will be the single most important scientific breakthrough
in the history - the recorded history - of the human race, and that is not an
Let me describe what I saw, if
you have a moment.
GN: Sure, and tell me how big it
SG: It's not very big at all! I
picked it up - you can pick it up with one hand. Took it out actually on a
sidewalk. This device gathered, very passively, less than one watt of power from
the environment - I won't say how it was done, I'm not allowed to at this point
- and the machine started up. It generated hundreds of watts of power in usable
form, actually running, and we were astonished to see this. We hooked this up
ourselves, so it was no mystery about it. We even selected the things to hook up
to this thing. It ran a 300-watt light bulb, a 100-watt light bulb, a stereo and
an oscillating fan with an electric motor, all at the same time with literally
no artificial manmade input of power. So, this is of course an extraordinary
scientific breakthrough. The inventor certainly deserves to get the next Nobel
prize, or the one that would be awarded after this is fully tested by the
scientific community, if indeed what we see holds up.
Now I have to say, our criteria
- those who are familiar with our search for this, and we've been doing this for
some years because we know that they're not traveling through interstellar space
using Exxon Jet-A fuel.
SG: And we know that these
technologies could run our planet without pollution, without poverty, and
without any more oil wars forever. So, you know, when we began to look for this,
our criteria was that the inventor had to be sane and rational enough to allow
it to be transparently vetted or tested, and in fact, this person was exactly
that kind of very brilliant, humble, realistic man who allowed us to
transparently see this device - look at it in its entirety. There were no hidden
power sources. As I said, it could be picked up and taken outside and put on the
sidewalk, and there it ran! And this is something obviously which could (be) put
in every home, in every car and every industry and would enable the world to
leave the era of want and war and enter an era of abundance and peace for as
long as we want to create it. So this potentially is one of the greatest
breakthroughs I've ever seen. And one of the things I'm so grateful for is that,
you know, we have heard of these things coming and going in the time of Tesla,
in the time of Floyd Sweet, in the time of T. Henry Moray, and others, but to
actually stand in the presence of a man who could build such a circuit and see
it run. If I had to go to my grave tomorrow, at least I would know that such a
thing was possible, which shines an enormous ray of hope into the world of
humanity as we apparently march off to the next oil war.
So, I think that it's a very
significant breakthrough. However, it's preliminary. We are requiring that - we
have an agreement with the inventor to have a more robust version of this device
made in the coming month or two. It will then go through further research and
development and reproducibility studies, meaning we must be able to
independently reproduce the effects. It will then be tested (in) at least three
independent government and university labs which we have already pre-selected
for their honesty and cooperation, and when all those ducks are lined up and we
are certain of what we have - I'm telling you this now in a preliminary way - it
will then be massively disclosed to the world in what has to be regarded as one
of the most important scientific announcements in our time.
GN: Very good. Is this person,
Steven - if you can tell me - is he a physicist by any chance?
SG: Um - no. Well, I guess
anyone dealing with this kind of energy would be a type of physicist, but not a
formally trained physicist. This is somebody who is what you would consider an
innate genius in this area and since childhood had a very deep, almost intuitive
knowledge of electromagnetism, electrical circuits and things of this sort.
GN: One of Albert Einstein's
protégés many years ago, his name was John Wheeler, once said about this kind
of energy that in the volume of a cup of coffee there is enough energy to
evaporate all of the world's oceans. It's that powerful and could provide that
much energy to the world and if you are able --
SG: If you can harness it, yeah.
GN: Yeah, I was just (going to )
say, if you can harness it - my gosh, you’re (going to) save humanity!
SG: Well, this is why I'm
talking to you. I returned from this trip, …, and I wanted to be very very
clear that this information got out …because I have to tell you that this is
the sort of thing that people have unfortunately in the past been absorbed into
operations where these technologies have been suppressed.
People have been murdered, people have been imprisoned, people have had
these things bought out only to sit on the black shelf at a major corporation.
GN: Mm Hmm.
SG: That is not a conspiracy
theory. We can prove this in a court of law that this has happened over and over
again. And the reason that we are moving quickly to let the world know that this
exists is that the ultimate shield against that happening is two things:
Number one - my absolute assurance that I will take a bullet before I
will let this be suppressed, and number two - that there is no amount of money,
that you cannot put enough zeros after a one, to buy us out and keep this thing
from getting out to the public. In addition to that, the public needs to
understand if anything is to happen to this prospect that is a suppressive
effort, that they should absolutely, if they have to, march in the streets to
see that it is released again. This is the time for this nonsense, where these
sorts of inventions have been suppressed and where humanity has been left
basically in a state of downward spiral of poverty and pollution and what have
you. We simply have to reverse that trend.
And of course, you're taking on
a five trillion dollar global energy and utility and transportation sector that
deals with fossil fuels. But it is really time for that era to close and for
another era to open. Even as the President said in his State of the Union
address after 9-11, it is a national security imperative that we become energy
SG: And there's no question that
the situation we're facing around the world today and the vulnerability of so
many nations is related to our unnecessary addiction and dependence on fossil
fuels - oil, coal, things of this sort. And these technologies have been so long
suppressed that they're almost legendary. But
I have to tell you, the other important thing - and anyone technical listening
to this will know what I'm talking about - we have seen in the last few years a
number of devices that looked very promising, but they don't put out energy in a
form that's usable. This thing, if you can imagine as I've described it
operating, put out energy at 60 hertz, 110 volts, correct amperage, ran whatever
we wanted to plug into it and did so for as long as we left it to do so. Now
this is something which, in all my experience going all over the world studying
this, I have never witnessed anything like this!
We can see no explanation in the
way of a hoax for this and the scientist is completely without guile, honest,
straightforward and it was an honor to be with this person. I felt like I was in
the presence of someone like Tesla as I saw this person work and to see my
science advisor, Dr. Ted Loder, who is a tenured professor of science at the
University of New Hampshire there working beside the man who very openly showed
everything and let everything be hooked up by our scientific team. It was just
an extraordinary experience and I just hope and I pray and I hope others will be
praying with us that we can be guided aright to get this out as quickly as
possible to a world that, at this virtually the twelfth hour, certainly needs to
find some way of living on this planet without cannibalizing the Earth that
GN: Steven, I sense this air of
immediacy coming from you. Have you or has this inventor been threatened at all
SG: No, not at all, and the
reason we haven't is that immediately, I have moved this into some very high
circles. I mean, you know we have in our network - in the Disclosure Project
network and in the corporate entity, the Space Energy Access Systems, which by
the way, the website for that is seaspower.com. We have access to virtually
anyone of significance in the world today.
I mean, literally not six degrees of separation, not really one degree of
separation, and we are beginning to notify the correct people that such a thing
exists. It would be very very difficult, with me talking on this show tonight
and with the phone calls we've made this week, quite frankly, for this thing to
disappear. So we have not received those threats.
Remember, in 2001, we had over a
hundred military and intelligence witnesses and their testimony put out in book
and video form and many of them with top secret SDI-TK clearances, holding very
sensitive information. Not a single one of them were ever visited and told to be
quiet and the reason they haven't is because we have strategically created
security around what we're doing such that it would be extremely dangerous for
that group to do that. However, the reason I feel it very important for the
public to know this, and everyone listening needs to refer this show to their
friends - very important because I think that people need to understand that the
kinds of operations that have kept these things secret do so only in the
shadows. They cannot do it in a spotlight shining on them. They function only
like vampires in the dark shadows and in the darkness of night. And if we put
this thing out into the light and the people understand what it’s worth to the
future of humanity and to our children's children's children, the people will
not let it be suppressed again.
GN: Alright, Steven. Stay with
us because I want to chat with you a little bit about how this kind of energy
actually works and how soon you think in terms of it being a reality, could get
into households. I'm George Noory.
Stick with me. This is Coast to Coast A.M.
GN: Welcome back to Coast to Coast. I'm George Noory with Dr.
Steven Greer. Steven, because of your heavy involvement in really defining proof
of extraterrestrial existence, and what you know, what are the possibilities
that this individual who has invented this apparatus might have
reverse-engineered it from some source up there?
SG: Yeah, I'm very confident
that's not the case. In fact, that's one of the criteria we have is that the
pedigree, or intellectual property pathway, has to be clean so that it can
safely be brought out to the public without the risk of it being legitimately
held back by some interests. In this case, I have high confidence that this is a
clean pedigree. And, what's more, that the technology is extraordinarily simple.
Now, of course, I guess the genius in all simple things is to understand how to
do it. And I don't pretend to know that. This is - I tell people - I remember
when I was at the Pentagon doing a briefing for the head of the Defense
Intelligence Agency I said, “You know, I'm just a country doctor here in
SG: And you know, really, I
don't pretend to be a physicist or theoretician. We have some very good people
who are and who would understand that better, but I can certainly say that this
particular inventor, I think that there is zero chance that he discovered this
from anything other than his own ability to experiment - the good old fashioned
empirical scientific method - and came up with this after many many years of
looking into it. But the astonishing thing is the relative simplicity of it. I
know that this device had to have weighed less than twenty pounds, that it was
small, no more than a foot to foot and a half in diameter. We could see straight
through it, see all components of it, no hidden battery or energy sources and it
operated as I described it. So, this of course meets the criteria of what we've
been looking for and wanting to get protected in our network and get it
disseminated and secured and out to the public, we hope at least in terms of it
being in a form that would be very stable and functioning and easy to use. If
not commercially available, at least something that would be disclosable and
transportable to any scientific lab. We hope to have that done in the next few
months and known by the public certainly this year and hopefully mid-year. So
again, it's hard to say. This is a very very early stage of an important and rather
rigorous process on our part, but we're (going to ) go with all due speed.
GN: Why would you rule out its -
I don't want to say authenticity - but its use within your organization if
something did come from extraterrestrial technologies? So what? If you can get
it, and harness it , and use it. What's wrong with that?
SG: Oh no, that would be fine,
but if it has been ripped off out of a government lab or out of a classified
GN: Ah, I get it!
SG: Which are the ones who are doing all that work, George. We
wouldn't want to - we really at this stage wouldn't want to deal with that.
Although, because I believe those projects are unconstitutional and
illegal, one could probably make the legal case. But it would be an encumbered
and difficult pathway and this is why we have been searching for what I call a
clean or virginal pathway for these technologies, and indeed this is what I
believe we have found. Again, I'm sharing this information very early. Some have
said that I shouldn't even be discussing it at this stage. However, I think that
for security reasons there's safety in numbers. The thing that has had made most
of these inventors disappear and most of these efforts disappear are their
obscurity. And so, Coast to Coast A.M. is providing a very important service to
humanity by letting the people know about this.
GN: Well, when I was talking to Producer Lisa today, she said,
“George, I've talked to Steven before, but I've never heard him this
immediate, this energized, where he felt he had to say something and say it
now.” So I said, “All right, let's set it up. Let's get him on!”
SG: Yeah. No, this was something
that was just so astonishing and I have to tell you that I felt like we were
walking through history as we saw this thing functioning, and the implications
of it - if I can just sort of, in a thumbnail sort of sketch, give you the
implications of this. Imagine having free energy so that you could desalinate
all the water you need to for agriculture and for returning these vast areas of
the Earth that have become desert that used to be lush, could be returned to
their original condition. Imagine being able to manufacture things with no cost
for the energy component, no fuel costs. Imagine the poverty that could be
eliminated and the disease and suffering. Most death and suffering into the
world is because basic sanitation, clean water, refrigeration, etc., is not
available. This can change all that without building multi-billion dollar power
plants with transmission lines. Imagine civilizations that do not have
electrification now. Just like people went from having no land line phones to
having cell phones, they could go from having no power lines to having these
devices in their villages and their areas where they could then have a growing
level of prosperity and abundance. All the studies have shown that when
civilizations move into greater abundance, and with that greater educational
opportunity, that the birth rates go down remarkably from ten or eleven per
woman down to two or three. So the Malthusian dilemma of all these teeming large
populations booming areas and poverty could be corrected. I mean the
implications of this are just enormous. In addition, we know that all
manufacturing effluent is largely related to the high cost of energy. We have
had -- Buckminster Fuller and
Archibald MacLeash told me back many years ago in the early seventies, that we
already have the technology to scrub to zero pollution all the manufacturing
processes, but they use so darn much electricity that it became a point of
diminishing return because the energy sources we were using were polluting.
GN: Of course.
SG: So, In this case, where the
energy source is clean and non-polluting and free, you could scrub everything to
completely and virtually no pollution into the environment. So you're talking
about the ability to literally transform the way humans live on the Earth and
therefore lay a real foundation for living together peacefully and eventually
going out in space together peacefully. So --
GN: Just, just -- go ahead,
SG: Yes, I mean, so these are the sorts of implications of this
kind of breakthrough. Of course, as people say, there will be winners and
losers. Well, 99.999 % of humanity will be the winners. The Earth will be the
winner. Our children's children's children will be the winners.
Now there are people who have very key interests in the fossil fuel area
and this is not to be trivialized. But I think that our goal is to do this in a
way that would protect and empower those segments by having them have some kind
of a cushion as these technologies are phased in and the old smokestack
technologies are phased out. This can certainly be done if we're wise about it
and if the current holders of the existing technologies are wise in allowing the
transition to happen in an orderly fashion.
GN: Tuesday, George Bush in his
State of the Union address was pushing for the use of hydrogen fuel in cars,
which is something I've been jumping up and down for, for years now. But, one of
the problems today with the hydrogen fuel is to generate the kind of electricity
in order to generate the hydrogen.
SG: That's right.
GN: And that has been a serious problem, so my two-fold question
- my question two-fold is will your zero point energy concept - would that work
directly in automobiles or could you use it to create the electricity to make
the hydrogen for the cars?
SG: Well, the answer is both. In
other words, you already have two hundred million cars on the road in America,
and six hundred and some million in the world. Those are using oil and gas. The
ideal thing to do initially - because most people are not going to yank the
engine out of their car and buy a multi-thousand dollar engine.
GN: No, they can't afford it.
SG: So what you want to do is use this free energy to have a way
of cracking the hydrogen off of water and then have that hydrogen run the cars.
I have just met with an inventor who has a fuel injector that you can screw into
where your spark plug goes and the car will run on hydrogen! So this technology
would allow that to be feasible what the President called for. So the existing
internal combustion cars and trucks could be converted to clean burning hydrogen
until such time that all the cars that are made come out with a purely electric
propulsion system that would be running off of this generator. So I think that,
you know, this can be done. Again, we intend to get this information, when we
have the final scientific reports in a few months, to the President and to his
inner circle. We certainly can get access to that. And I think that this would
be an important thing for the National Security Council, the aspect of it that
deals with economic security and energy issues, to know about because there's no
question. I mean, whether you're on the left or the right, or whatever, everyone
acknowledges today that it is in the long term, and even short
term interest of the United States to wean ourselves off of this
addictive black gold known as oil. And I think that the sooner that can be done,
the sooner we can move on to a new and more hopeful phase in our history.
GN: Zero Point energy results
from the principals of quantum mechanics, which has to do with the physics of
subatomic phenomena. Would you explain that for us so that most of us can
understand just what we’re talking about here?
SG: Well, as I understand it, if
you look at the space around us, not outer space, just the space in the room
where you’re sitting. That space and the structure of space and the actually
fundamental level at which matter and energy is fluxing out of some very potent
field of energy. That's in some type of a sort of homeostasis. And what these
technologies do is that it sort of perturbs the homeostasis enough to tap into
that baseline energy or that energy that's in the quantum vacuum, some would
call it, that’s around us, that matter and energy are sort of fluxing in and
out of and can tap into it and it's almost like pulling energy out of a
reservoir of energy that's there all the time but isn't in a form that can
actually be used. What these systems do is tap into that energy and in the case
of the device that we saw, actually converts it into usable controlled energy on
demand, which was the astonishing thing. I
have to admit I have seen some other “over unity” systems where there's more
energy coming out than put in, but it was in a form that was not electric power
that was easily usable or convertible and therefore wasn't really immediately
practical and in some cases people were estimating upwards of fifteen million
dollars to get it into a form and an access form that this brilliant inventor
had in this very simple system that you could literally pick up with one hand
and carry out on a sidewalk and turn things on with. So I think that there’s
such an enormous body of information on this. If you look, there’s a new
almost thousand page book that Dr. Tom Bearden has put out that's almost
encyclopedic in the information on this and he sent me a copy of it.
I’m very grateful to him for that and I encourage people to get it if
they have the stomach to go through the details. But I think that many people,
as I said, Dr. Gene Mallove, Tom Valone, and many people have studied this and
have written about the fact that this has happened and have done sort of an
ethnography of this where they've studied where there have been a whole culture
of scientists over the last hundred years who have in fact discovered this and
have invented devices that worked like this, but they have all met some terrible
fate out of, of course, the big special interests and cartels that would like to
keep us all metered to the public
utility companies and to the gas pumps and
while that's certainly understandable, it's no big surprise that people
of vast economic and power and geopolitical interests would do such things.
We're at the point now that it cannot go forward any further without
jeopardizing the entirety of the human future.
GN: How long had your inventor
been working on this project?
SG: Seven years.
GN: That's not bad! That's not
bad in R & D [research and development]. Did he ever explain to you why this
revelation came to him? Why he decided to do this?
SG: Well, this is an individual
who has had a passion for electromagnetism and electricity since apparently age
seven. By age ten was taking things apart and coming up with just extraordinary
innovative little inventions all on his own, as a ten year old person - child.
And now, of course, put his focus on this and also did study the - very
carefully the study of the early greats like Tesla and Faraday and Maxwell and
what have you. And in fact,
apparently, between that knowledge and his own experimentation, intuition,
insight - a gift if you want to call it - was able to devise this system. I have
to say we were stunned.
I know that three of the members
of our board of directors were there, and one of them is a very successful
businessman who was just completely in a state of - stunned - because of the
implications of this thing. Because this particular businessman was telling me
how he spends two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year just in electric
utility bills for his business and I went “My god in heaven! I would like to
make that much as a doctor!”
He said, “Yes, that's just my
electric utility bill.”
I said, “Oh my gosh. Imagine
what that would do!” And this
person is not General Motors, of course, but what … efficiency it could add to
our civilization and the cost reduction it could bring to manufacturing and the
ability for each home to have its own - even micro-agricultural greenhouse where
you have a computer controlled delivery of water, heat, and what have you, under
controlled circumstances. The energy would be free. You could, almost in any
climate, have and grow organically almost anything you would need. The
rate-limiting thing to most of these developments is the high cost of energy and
the very polluting forms of energy. If you change that equation you
fundamentally change the way humans live on Earth.
GN: Now realistically, Steven,
if you had no obstacles, and you're (going to) have some, but if you didn't have
any, when do you think you might be able to get something like this to market,
or at least to a practical test phase?
SG: A practical test phase -
we're shooting for two to three months, and out to then a manufacturable
prototype after the test phase, perhaps a year or so, and then after that to
market. We hope that by the first quarter or mid-2004 these can be made
available. Now, of course, we don't know what we're going to encounter and when
you get into these sort of engineering issues you may run into all kinds of
disappointments and so I'm speculating here, but this is our intention and we
intend to be able to do that. And remember, there are many applications for
this. Imagine if you had a power up system for satellites so that you didn't
have them failing in their power or having solar panels that had
micro-meteorites damaging them, you could extend the life of satellites and save
an enormous amount of money. If you had these things, these sort of power
systems eventually could be in every appliance so that every appliance wouldn't
even need to be plugged in. Eventually you could have construction so homes
wouldn’t even have wiring. Every lamp and every appliance could have its own
power source. This thing is efficient and miniaturizable, if there is such a
word – so that you could do this and you would be able to have everything that
is made have its own power source and it would completely change the way
architecture and construction takes place. Of course the list just goes on and
on, but our goal is to be able to do this at least in a generation one stable,
usable system, certainly within a year to year and a half. I would like to think
sooner, but knowing how things happen in the world, I think it could very well
be that long or a bit longer. I would caution we don't want to take too much
longer. We are going to be very aggressively capitalizing this, putting the
funds into this, so that that can be done and we can collapse the timeframe
because, frankly, Tom Bearden and I were discussing this one time just before we
were meeting with members of, doing a briefing for, the staff of the senate
environment committee. He said that if these new technologies don’t begin to
roll off of the conveyor belt like sausages by the first quarter, or some time
around that, of 2004, given the fact that the biosphere is being so strained,
given the geopolitical tensions, we may simply just be out of time. So, I think
it’s a stroke before midnight and we really need to make this project succeed.
I hope that this technology holds up to the scrutiny. I can’t say that at this
point. I can say that the onsite testing was extremely promising and I'm hopeful
that it will hold up to reproducibility studies and to the scientific analysis
that are required in our society and which our team requires, so that will be
done in the next few months and we will hope for the best.
GN: All right. And you're still
(going to) continue to follow up with your Disclosure Project, I’m sure.
SG: Yes, this is the first part
of it and in fact this is one of the big disclosures. Remember, UFOs are secret
not because people are so afraid so much of extraterrestrials but because UFOs
themselves are running off of energy and propulsion systems that would replace
the need for oil and gas. So, the secrecy has been mostly out of greed, not out
of a security.
GN: Very good. Thanks Steven.
Keep us in touch! Dr. Steven Greer. Just go to my website and link up to his. He
has two websites – disclosureproject(.org) and seaspower(.com)…
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